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Old 12-12-2013, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Not at all...The reasons for past climate change are well understood, and the climate forcing events that changed the climate in the past do not exist today, so that leaves only one possibility.
Two. It's us, or it's something natural but heretofore undetected. Some of our learned colleagues here claim the driver is natural. I'm curious to see what they think the driver might be. So far, the best I've seen is 'nature'.

I'm not impressed.
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Old 12-12-2013, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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you said natural emissions are 'balanced' that makes it sound like human induced CO2 molecules are special.
Perhaps sanspeur believes that humans are somehow "unnatural."
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Old 12-12-2013, 07:59 PM
 
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Wow, are we still arguing about how to stop a good thing?
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Old 12-12-2013, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Wow, are we still arguing about how to stop a good thing?
Droughts, floods, and lose of farmlands are a good thing?
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Old 12-12-2013, 08:13 PM
 
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Droughts, floods, and lose of farmlands are a good thing?
Arizona as a frozen tundra is a good thing? Anyone can make arguments like this.
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Old 12-12-2013, 08:14 PM
 
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Droughts, floods, extreme weather of all sorts... nothing new to the world and no worse now, but it sounds sensational and gets people all sorts of scared. Brings in money and support. Props up those in power. Brilliant, really.
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Old 12-12-2013, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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What disparity....The 7% figure is correct, but that 7% overwhelms the natural carbon cycle and stays in the atmosphere..... Natural emissions are usually balanced by natural absorptions. Now slightly more CO2 is entering the atmosphere than is being soaked up by carbon "sinks". Climate myths: Human CO2 emissions are too tiny to matter - environment - 16 May 2007 - New Scientist

So man-made CO2 is somehow worse? Are they like those magic beans Jack had?
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Old 12-12-2013, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Arizona as a frozen tundra is a good thing? Anyone can make arguments like this.
Yep, keep your head in the sand and pretend like nothing bad will come from this.
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Old 12-12-2013, 08:41 PM
 
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Yep, keep your head in the sand and pretend like nothing bad will come from this.
Come from what? Minimally warmer temps as worse case? I don't have to pretend. The benefits will outweigh any negatives.
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Old 12-12-2013, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Come from what? Minimally warmer temps as worse case? I don't have to pretend. The benefits will outweigh any negatives.
That's good, you keep thinking that, I am sure nothing bad will come from that kind of thought. Heck, we should end all science studying global warming because you believe the positives will clearly outweigh the negatives that you see as nothing more than minimally warmer temperatures.
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