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It's only the people who are battling demons of their own who think anybody gives 2 rips what they do and to whom. Believe me, nobody is angry (until some moronic outfit like glaaaad babbles and spews about something that doesn't involve them).
Like caleb said, we just don't want to see it. Keep your parades and flaunting inside your home and out of my face. And for the record, I don't want to see straights slobbering all over each other, either.
Thank you.
This isnt true. I am all for gay rights, but at least get the facts straight. People who hate gays arent in the closet, thats just a sassy rebuttle thought up by some pissed off gays. The truth is hate is ingrained in children by observation. People grew up being taught that homosexuality is wrong, therefore it is ingrained into them. Its not because they are gay themselves. Otherwise given that logic ~150 Million Americans are gay.
Well, growing up my parents (like most) assumed that I was straight (and I am). I didn't even know that liking another girl was even a possible option. So, when I heard of homosexuality I thought it was a fad.
But now, I honestly couldn't care less. Just don't start making out in front of me (that goes for all couples).
We are mostly a nation of bluster. We hate what happened in Benghazi but have little intention of getting off of this couch to do much about it.
Nation of bluster, yes.
As far as doing something about BENGHAZI, there is nothing to do other than write dead end emails to elected representatives, call their offices or sign useless petitions.
If any were to try something physical the citizen would be apprehended, never seen again or killed.
I have contemplated this fact for a few years. All government employees, elected or appointed, take an oath to uphold the Constitution. This includes all soldiers as well. All LEOs do the same.
The only way to hold someone responsible for something such as BENGHAZI is to physically arrest and detain them so they can be charged with a crime and see a magistrate to determine bail. If one were to attempt to arrest the POTUS, the SS would most likely shoot to kill on sight. The irony...they should have arrested him before a citizen even had the idea to do so. They are oath beakers as are the rest.
So what does a citizen do? Wait for some militant groups start protesting and firing weapons at the police and join in a coup to overturn the government?
The present administration can/will kill a citizen on American soil and get away with it. Oops, it was an ''accident'' or ''mistake''.
Why can't same-sex attraction just be viewed as a simple random attraction such as somebody liking macaroni over pasta; or preferring cookies over brownies; or thinking audi's are cooler than infiniti's?
Why do people demonize this random preference that people have like it's so important?
It's so strange that there is this universal hate of people with this preference in almost every religion? Like really, it's so trivial and random!
I think the debate over homosexuality in general, and certainly whether it should be criminalized, is over for the majority of Americans. It’s now all about marriage, which strikes me as just another variation on the bogus “War on Christmas.” It’s not about marriage or Christmas, but who gets to define what is normative and traditional.
Why can't same-sex attraction just be viewed as a simple random attraction such as somebody liking macaroni over pasta; or preferring cookies over brownies; or thinking audi's are cooler than infiniti's?
Why do people demonize this random preference that people have like it's so important?
It's so strange that there is this universal hate of people with this preference in almost every religion? Like really, it's so trivial and random!
Preference implies choice. I thought the current thinking was that people did not choose to be gay but were gay either because of hereditary or environmental factors. To label being gay a preference would suggest that gays could choose to be straight. I prefer cookies over brownies because that's my choice, not because I was born liking cookies. Do you really want to label homosexuality as a choice? That seems kind of backward to me.
I don't care whose naughty bits other people choose to diddle. That goes for gay or straight. And I don't hate gay people, but some of them I find annoying. These are the women who swagger around dressed as men and bellowing in artificially deep voices, and the lisping, prancing effeminate men that act like chauvinist parodies of women. If you want to have a partner of the same sex, fine. But there is no need to swagger around bellowing in mens' clothes, or to prance around lisping in ruffly shirts. Just have your partner and go about your business without making a big show of it, like straight people do. Besides, as I understand it, the definition of lesbian is a woman who is attracted to women. So, if you're trying to attract someone who's attracted to women, why dress like a man? If your girlfriend is attracted to masculine traits, maybe she's not a lesbian. If you're trying to pick up a man who likes men, you're probably better off acting like a man.
So again, I don't hate gay people. I hate obnoxious gay people. I hate obnoxious straight people too, including MEN who swagger around bellowing and WOMEN who prance around lisping like bimbos.
Maybe homosexuality would be viewed more as "normal" if homosexuals didn't go out of their way to seem abnormal, by which I mean the strange swaggering/prancing mentioned above and also parades, "gay bars", "gay neighborhoods" gay bowling teams, etc. If you want to make sexual preference just another preference, stop segregating yourselves by that trait alone and just act like a normal person. You don't see parades and special bars for other preferences. I don't know of any special bars or neighborhoods for people who prefer tattooed partners, or blonde hair, or tall people, or that sort of preference. I understand that gay people want the same rights as straight people, that's fine and I think it's absolutely absurd in the so-called "Age of Reason" that committed couples have different rights based on what set of genitals they have. But I think acceptance of homosexuality would be viewed more as just another trivial preference if it were treated like another trivial preference, not something that sets gays apart from everyone else.
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Why can't same-sex attraction just be viewed as a simple random attraction such as somebody liking macaroni over pasta; or preferring cookies over brownies; or thinking audi's are cooler than infiniti's?
Why do people demonize this random preference that people have like it's so important?
It's so strange that there is this universal hate of people with this preference in almost every religion? Like really, it's so trivial and random!
Why can't people choosing "alternative lifestyles" as they call them realize that not everyone is going to like or agree with what you do? Not everyone agrees with anything people do. Accept that and stop demonizing people who don't want to celebrate your "alternative lifestyle". People have a right to like or not like something, agree or disagree. Not all people like cookies or not all people like brownies, that's the way it is. People have a right to choose what they will accept and not accept, like or not like. And yet you term this freedom to choose as "hate" if one chooses the way you do not like. You want tolerance, but you give none towards those who do not choose your way. Get over it.
The thing is that it is more than a disagreement when there are people who are willing to use that opinion to restrict the rights of others. I can tolerate people not "agreeing" with homosexuality or my life choices, but the line is drawn when you use your "disagreement" to restrict others' rights. Now if someone was taking away your rights because of their "disagreement" I don't think you would be tolerant of that either now would you?
According to medical science today, the easiest way to explain it is, A gay person is one that has a body different than the way their mind sees themselves. That is just a simple way of saying it. The person with a man's body, that is attracted to another man instead of women is gay. Or same for women, attracted to women is a lesbian.
I have a gay grandson. As he says, thinking of having a sexual liaison with a woman makes him physically ill. He has many straight women friends, and feels very safe with them, as though having a man's body, he feels he is a female for all practical purposes. He has a regular male partner, and they live together.
I have spent my life in the business world for over 60 years. I have known and worked with many gay businessmen, and many have told me they feel the same as my grandson.
I have found there are two kinds of gay men. Those that go about life like other people, but have a same sex partner that they go home to. No one that unless you knew them, would not know they were gay.
Then there is the in your face gay. They do everything they can to make sure everyone knows they are gay, and are so obnoxious about it, it gives gay people a bad name. They dress gay, they look gay in every way they can, they act gay going around loving their partner and rubbing it in your face they are gay. It is this faction both male and female that give gays and lesbians the bad name and drives the straights to dislike gays and lesbians.
This is the faction that makes it difficult for the other gay people, and turns people against them.
The only religion that really hates homosexuals is Islam. The punishment in countries like Saudi Arabia for being a homosexual is death.
The Bible also says that the punishment for committing homosexual acts is death. I sometimes think that the only thing keeping a death penalty off the table here in the U.S. is our secular and Constitutional law. There are plenty of dominionists out there who would have no qualms about turning America into a Christian theocracy and would happily force all Americans to obey the barbaric laws in the Old Testament.
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Here in the US, which is mostly Christian, the sentiment among a significant amount of Christians is "we need to cure the homosexuals". You don't cure the person you hate. The majority of Christians see homosexuality as a sin equal to heterosexual intercourse outside of marriage. Part of the mantra, "all sins are equal in God's eyes."
That's just wishful thinking on your part, a rationalization by a Christian in the hopes of saving face for your religion. Sorry, but no. And here's the proof:
Perhaps the most commonly cited Biblical verse against homosexuality is Leviticus 20:13. Yet just three verses before is Leviticus 20:10, the verse that says adulterers should be put to death. Christians need to justify why it is okay to curtail the rights of gays because of Leviticus 20:13 yet there are no crusades to keep adulterers from remarrying. In fact, not only are there no legal penalties for adultery, we live in a so-called "Christian" society that will even allow spouse beaters and spouse murderers to marry and remarry as often as they like - even from behind bars. Yet there is this HUGE crusade against gay marriage as if the main tenat of Christianity is keeping gays away from the altar. Where I live, there are at least 1-2 editorials written by locals who gay-bash and preach fire and brimstone to homosexualos.
No, you can delude yourself into thinking Christians believe all sins are equal in God's eyes, but quite clearly that isn't the case. Fornicators and adulterers do not face the curtailing, limiting, and suspension of their rights by a Christian population who loves nothing more than screaming Bible verses at gay folks.
Oh, and speaking of Bible verses, yeah, there's the problem of cherry picking. Not only do Christians cherry pick specific verses from the Bible to condemn homosexuality, they actually cherry pick words out of a specific verse. Leviticus says homosexuals should be put to death - but Christians always end their Biblical rant just before that part. I wonder why? Is it because they think murdering homosexuals is immoral? Well, perhaps the enitre verse is immoral.
After all, no one is advocating we take our rebellious children out to the town square and stone them to death, another divine law handed to us directly by God. When confronted with this immutable fact, Christians are wont to say something like, "But we don't have to follow those old Hebrew laws because Jesus came and blah blah blah." Oh really? So Jesus absolved us from all of those laws EXCEPT Leviticus 20:13 which we all still have to follow. Yes, you have to follow Leviticus 20:13 even if you're not a Christian because, yes, Christians hate (yes, hate) homosexuality so much that even the U.S. Constitution isn't enough to prevent them from enshrining religious laws in our various state constitutions.
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Not much hate there.
Your anecdotal story about one singular Christian who isn't on an anti-gay crusade cannot even hope to match the fact that 32 states have banned gay marriage due to what the Bible says - and non-Christians be damned, I guess, because people in those states are going to obey Leviticus whether they believe in the Bible or not! Yeah, that's a long way to go over something Christians always "claim" they don't hate.
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Just another opportunity to "get them dang religious nuts"?
Hey, if the shoe fits. I was in Raleigh, NC when "Amendment One" came up for a vote (Amendment One being the vote to add North Carolina to the list of states who put anti-gay amendments into their constitutions). About a week before the vote, there were a multitude of rallies and speeches - and at every single one of those rallies, the parking lots were FILLED with church buses from all over the country. I repeat: The parking lots were FILLED with church buses from all over the country. It sure did look like there were an awful lot of "dang religious nuts" there supporting the gay marriage ban.
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Actually, if you look at the US, it seems that the biggest factor in "hating" gays comes from the macho belief, not the religious one.
Yes, that is true. The bulk of the anti-gay screamers are men, and nearly all of their complaints are about gay men. Yet ask most men and they'll tell you how turned on they get watching girl-on-girl porn action. The hypocrisy is stifling.
BUT ... that doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of wild-eyed Christian fanatics who are out there greasing the rails for everyone else's hate. They're essentially telling those "macho men" to "go ahead, take this Bible and use it as a weapon, use religion and beat gays over the head with it because that's what God would have wanted."
If you look at it through a racial/ethnic lens, you'd notice that homosexuals are hated most by black and Hispanics. (This can actually be quantified when you look at the voting demographics on gay marriage issues. Blacks and Hispanics are the two largest demographic groups voting against "gay rights" issues.) When you hear or read about gays being assaulted here in the US, it's usually a group of "macho" men not a Sunday school group who runs into a gay person at lunch after service.
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But, I'm sure you're pretty set on focusing on the religious angle as part of your crusade against religion.
Why shouldn't we focus on it? It is the largest angle by far. For instance, I doubt the Mormon church spent $42 million to keep California from legalizing gay marriage just because Mormons are exceptionally macho. Ya know?
As far as a "crusade against religion" is concerned, all I can really say is: Puh-leeeeese! You can whine about persecution the moment an openly atheist politician is elected to high office.
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