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Old 01-04-2014, 12:17 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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The OP is shamelessly making light of the deaths of our servicemen and women.

Pathetic.
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Old 01-04-2014, 12:18 AM
 
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No political party had clean hands on this one.. They all voted in favor of it.
Senate Democrats...yeah for the most part.

House Democrats? No for the most part.

Still, the blame lies with the man and the administration that made a case for it.
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It's not even a real country. Churchill created it.
True. It's pretty much slapped together.
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Old 01-04-2014, 12:18 AM
 
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Yes it is............
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Old 01-04-2014, 12:21 AM
 
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Did not everyone with an R next to their name support the war? Were the architects of this abysmal failure not Republicans?

Bush = the ultimate failure

HUH? I thought it was Obama's war now. He's had enough time to change it's direction. I see how it is, if we are losing it's Bush's war but if we are winning it's Obama's war.
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Old 01-04-2014, 12:33 AM
 
Location: Houston
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HUH? I thought it was Obama's war now. He's had enough time to change it's direction. I see how it is, if we are losing it's Bush's war but if we are winning it's Obama's war.

Why has not the chosen one changed the world?
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Old 01-04-2014, 12:40 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by RaymondChandlerLives View Post
Gore vehemently opposed invading Iraq from day one, no way would he have committed such a blunder:

USATODAY.com - Gore blasts Bush on Iraq war
really now....

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.

We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

Al Gore, Former Clinton Vice-President
Speech to San Francisco Commonwealth Club
September 23, 2002
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Al Gore said last night that the time had come for a "final reckoning" with Iraq, describing the country as a "virulent threat in a class by itself" and suggesting that the United States should consider ways to oust Saddam Hussein.

"Even if we give first priority to the destruction of terrorist networks, and even if we succeed, there are still governments that could bring us great harm. And there is a clear case that one of these governments in particular represents a virulent threat in a class by itself: Iraq. As far as I am concerned, a final reckoning with that government should be on the table."

The New York Times
Gore, Championing Bush, Calls For a 'Final Reckoning' With Iraq
February 13, 2002
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Old 01-04-2014, 12:45 AM
 
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really now....

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.

We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

Al Gore, Former Clinton Vice-President
Speech to San Francisco Commonwealth Club
September 23, 2002
-------------

Al Gore said last night that the time had come for a "final reckoning" with Iraq, describing the country as a "virulent threat in a class by itself" and suggesting that the United States should consider ways to oust Saddam Hussein.

"Even if we give first priority to the destruction of terrorist networks, and even if we succeed, there are still governments that could bring us great harm. And there is a clear case that one of these governments in particular represents a virulent threat in a class by itself: Iraq. As far as I am concerned, a final reckoning with that government should be on the table."

The New York Times
Gore, Championing Bush, Calls For a 'Final Reckoning' With Iraq
February 13, 2002
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All of that is nice, but the bottom line is that the president made the case for war, executed it (poorly), and watched as his administration made a mess of it with poor planning and no strategy or endgame.

No WMD? Fine...but that was no excuse for bungling the whole damn thing and leaving the country with practically nothing accomplished. I mean, is that what 4500 troops died for?
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Old 01-04-2014, 12:54 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Pat Buchanan pegs Al and predicts 9/11

March 2000:


[SIZE=4]
Quote:

[SIZE=4]But while many Democrats and some on the Left
are eager to challenge the Bush-Clinton New World Order, Vice
President Gore is not among them. Mr. Gore is a Wilsonian in full. He
exhibits a New Republic-style lust for cruise missile strikes on
"rogue nations." He was all for the war on Serbia. Nor did he allow a
ray of daylight to open up between himself and Mr. Clinton on
sanctions against Iraq or the strikes against that poison gas factory
in Sudan, that turned out to be a pharmaceutical plant. [/SIZE]



[SIZE=4]
Mr. Gore is also an acolyte of the New World Order, ever ready to cede
American sovereignty, and an architect of Clinton's Kyoto Treaty, under
which global bureaucrats would dictate America's use of fossil fuels.
When young Americans perished in a tragic accident over Iraq, Gore
reflexively offered his condolences to the families of those who,
quote, "had died in the service of the United Nations." [/SIZE]


[SIZE=4]
Quo Vadis? Where are you going, America? [/SIZE]


[SIZE=4][/SIZE]


[SIZE=4]
Because of our sanctions on scores of nations, cruise missile strikes
upon others, and intervention in the internal affairs of still others
in the wake of the Cold War, a seething resentment of America is brewing
all over the world. And the haughty attitude of our foreign policy elite
only nurses the hatred. Hearken, if you will, to the voice of our own
Xenia, Madeline Albright, announcing new air strikes on Iraq: "If we
have to use force, it is because we are America. We are the indispensable
nation. We stand tall. We see farther into the future." [/SIZE]


[SIZE=4][/SIZE]


[SIZE=4]
Now I count myself an American patriot. But if this Beltway braggadocio
about being the world's "indispensable nation" has begun to grate on
me, how must it grate upon the Europeans, Russians, and peoples subject
to our sanctions because they have failed, by our lights, to live up
to our standards? [/SIZE]
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Old 01-04-2014, 08:12 AM
 
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The black flag of Radical Sunni Islam is flying over the "government" buildings in Fallujah:

Al-Qaeda force captures Fallujah amid rise in violence in Iraq - The Washington Post

Come on, boys! Let's go liberate the $&@& out of that place- AGAIN! What would this be- Surge III???

(My condolences to anyone who lost friends and loved ones fighting in Bush's sandbox- they didn't make the policy, just fought for the guys next to them, like soldiers always do)
Maybe if we had fought for a win instead of just quitting and pulling out this might NOT have happened!

And I will correct your slight omission. I know it was a mistake and not done on purpose.

" fighting in Bush's sandbox"
Dem's who voted FOR the wars:
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE) Current VP
Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY) Current Sec of state (Labeled Smartest women in the world by many lefties)
Daschle (D-SD) Leader of the Senate at the time and co-sponsored the bill
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC) Ran for VP
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA) Ran for Pres.
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT) Ran for Pres.
Lincoln (D-AR)
Miller (D-GA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV) Current leader of the Senate
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Torricelli (D-NJ)

I wonder how many you supported and voted for? Probably twice for Biden. But, hey, I know you didn't mean it.
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Old 01-04-2014, 08:24 AM
 
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From your link:



We would have done the same stupid thing with Gore in office.



Likely as we now Gore is just full of rhetoric that is advantageous to himself at any given time.
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