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Old 01-21-2014, 12:51 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Proud2beAMom View Post
Gong from $50/hour from $10 hour , which is what the call to minimum wage nationally is, is absurd. $10/hour is still LOW wages... $50/hour isn't..

Raising the minimum wage a few bucks is NOT a ridiculous request..

Nice try though..
According to urbanlife78 those who can't keep up a business while paying the new minimum wage should just get out of their business and they shouldn't have that bad business model to begin with.

Ridiculous: if you can't afford the $50/hour wage, you are running a bad business model and deserve to go bankrupt.

Not ridiculous: if you can't afford the $15/hour or (insert your preferred minimum) wage, you are running a bad business model and deserve to go bankrupt.

 
Old 01-21-2014, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Originally Posted by I'm Retired Now View Post
If the minimum wage is increased to $10.00 costs will not go up as much as the wage increase these hard working folks deserve.

If they were so "hard working" they would be earning more than minimum wage. They may think they are working hard, but they are not working smart.
 
Old 01-21-2014, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Greed is the primary reason for Offshoring...
Yeah, those evil, greedy consumers and their desire to pay as little as possible for stuff. How dare they!
 
Old 01-21-2014, 12:53 PM
 
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Most jobs pay above minimum wage, therefore the effect on inflation would be very low and the rate of minimum wage increases has been below the rate of inflation. Now if we were talking about raising the minimum wage beyond the rate of inflation, then you might have something, but we are not.
So does or does it not cause inflation?
 
Old 01-21-2014, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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A generalized statement directed at me specifically...


Again, who's pretending?

I have one non-owner employee. He gets paid minimum wage. He also gets a roof over his head, food on the table, clothing on his back, gas money, car repair money, electricity, cable TV, etc. Like most minimum wage earners, the bulk of his expenses are paid for by someone else. The only thing he pays for himself is his car insurance, cellphone bill and whatever non-essentials he wants to buy. So while on paper he's only making minimum wage, he's getting a hell of a lot more than that for the time he puts in. Working in the family business has its pros and cons.

Outside of family, nobody in our industry would work for minimum wage. Anyone with experience in our field could easily demand quite a bit more than that, and would get hired pretty quickly. Experience is very valuable in what we do.
Does your minimum wage worker live with you? Sounds like you are getting the benefit of hiring a family member that doesn't have to pay for the things you are paying for, basically you are subsidizing your own employee.

Those in your industry that wouldn't work for minimum wage aren't effected by what minimum wage is set at. They will still make the amount they would have made before an increase.
 
Old 01-21-2014, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer View Post
According to urbanlife78 those who can't keep up a business while paying the new minimum wage should just get out of their business and they shouldn't have that bad business model to begin with.

Ridiculous: if you can't afford the $50/hour wage, you are running a bad business model and deserve to go bankrupt.

Not ridiculous: if you can't afford the $15/hour or (insert your preferred minimum) wage, you are running a bad business model and deserve to go bankrupt.
What is your obsession with $50/hr? Who is saying minimum wage should be raised to $50/hr? If you tied minimum wage to productivity and inflation it would be about $21/hr, if you just tied it to inflation it would be about $11/hr.

You need to let go of this $50/hr nonsense because no one is arguing for that.
 
Old 01-21-2014, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So does or does it not cause inflation?
If it is raised at a higher percentage that the rate of inflation then it could add to it, but if it is raised at a rate below the rate of inflation, then it would have no effect on inflation.
 
Old 01-21-2014, 01:00 PM
 
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The liberals think that the minimum wage is the barrier against poverty.
Whereas in reality the minimum wage is a barrier against low skill level people to enter the workforce.
 
Old 01-21-2014, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Originally Posted by I'm Retired Now View Post
FEW AMERICANS MAKE THE MINIMUM WAGE.

and

THE MINIMUM WAGE WAS NOT MEANT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPORTING A FAMILY.

These are the flawed arguments many people make when they tell us the minimum wage at $7.25 an hour is just fine where it is.

Yes, few people make- to the exact penny- the amount of the minimum wage. But an ever increasing number of Americans who are supporting themselves, or even a family, are making close to the minimum wage.

AND

While years ago the minimum wage (or close to it) was designed to be for entry level jobs or for kids working part time in High School, this is no longer the case. Now days millions of Americans will face a life time of working in jobs close to the minimum wage. Yes, some of them will get promoted and live the American dream but as a greater percent of American jobs pay under $9.00 an hour, there will be millions of new close to minimum wage workers taking their place.

AND:

Why we can say these minimum wage workers should get their act in gear and learn new skills, in many communities the only jobs available are low wage labor that pay close to the minimum wage. And with the flood of immigrants with poor language and job skills, employers whose business model uses easily exploitable low wage labor is booming.

Raise the minimum wage now!
Minimum wage is nothing more than a scam perpetrated by Democrats to reward their union supporters. For every dollar increase in the minimum wage, union labor earning four times scale gets paid an extra $4/hour. So you can save your lies, we already know the true purpose behind your desire to increase the minimum wage.
 
Old 01-21-2014, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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If just about every conservative on this site says they are a "business owner" it is a safe bet that not all of them are telling the truth.
If just about every conservative were saying it, then yes, that would be a safe bet. That's not the case, though. You just want it to be, so it's your perception that is off, not what people are saying.

If you actually believe what you wrote, then explain what the purpose of lying about that would be. What's the motivation for someone - anyone, left or right - to lie about it?

Here's something else for you to ponder... Have you ever considered that most business owners probably are fiscally conservative? Wouldn't that fit what you're actually seeing (not your false perception, but in reality) like a glove?

You can continue with your tin foil hattery, but honestly, you're just making yourself look paranoid.
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