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View Poll Results: America is becoming...
More conservative 7 10.94%
More liberal 41 64.06%
More libertarian 16 25.00%
Voters: 64. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-01-2014, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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So it was less orderly than when it was one giant ball of superheated hydrogen than it is now as we move, albeit very very slowly, towards absolute zero and the fourth state of matter, BEC.

Interesting...
Actually, the fourth state of matter is plasma (gas, liquid, solid, and plasma), which is what the universe was shortly after inflation and just prior to the Hadron Epoch and the creation of matter - an extremely hot quark-gluon plasma. The structure, or order, of the current universe did not exist until much later.
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Old 02-01-2014, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You obviously have not read the official Libertarian Platform:
"The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power." --- Platform | Libertarian Party
They do not say "with limited government" they say "without interference from government or any authoritarian power." That is the very definition of anarchy.

Libertarians only pretend to be for limited government, but their true goal is the abolishment of all government. Like I said, Libertarians are closet anarchists.
People make desperate attempts to re-design libertarianism to be all about fiscal conservatism, but it has always been more about social liberalism than anything else.
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Old 02-01-2014, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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If you mean to ask what direction our President will continue to take America, the answer is obvious: more super-left liberal, ultra-Progressive, more Socialist, more Big Government with even less fiscal sanity, more taxpayer windfalls to Big Business and the ultra-rich, more Military-Industrial Complex, more undermining of the working class via federal regulation and open-door immigration.

What is very sad is that the people who REALLY make up America--the working class (including the remaining Middle Class and those unwillingly unemployed)--know the nation desperately needs a fiscally responsible government that stops controlling absolutely everything in the entire world, that doesn't force taxpayers to pay for the lifestyle and large families of every person on the planet who doesn't want to work, and that no longer works solely for the benefit of Big Business and the ultra-rich. But they don't understand that this is exactly what the Libertarian Movement is. It is a testament to the utter corruption of our political system (and the liberal media that serve them and the ultra-rich) that political leaders of both parties have gone to great lengths to slander and distort that movement and pretend it is "crazy" and "radical" and "throwing away your vote." At some point we have see that by continuing to vote for the Big Government clone candidates offered by the Democrat and Republican Parties--because one is EVEN WORSE than the other--just lets them continue to destroy our nation. If everyone who WAS Libertarian in philosophy would VOTE for the Libertarian on the ballot, we could save America.

Let's be clear: every single poll continues to confirm that the vast majority of Americans--from 65% to 80%, depending on when the poll is done--think America "is on the WRONG track" Right Direction or Wrong Track - Rasmussen Reports™
Which president are you talking about? Obama is right of center. Liberals are pissed at him because we thought he was a liberal when we voted for him, but he turned out to be just another brown suit shovelling money over Wall Street a la George W. Bush. To even think of Obama and "socialist" in the same context is total fantasy and extremely laughable.
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Old 02-01-2014, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You obviously have not read the official Libertarian Platform:
"The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power." --- Platform | Libertarian Party
They do not say "with limited government" they say "without interference from government or any authoritarian power." That is the very definition of anarchy.

Libertarians only pretend to be for limited government, but their true goal is the abolishment of all government. Like I said, Libertarians are closet anarchists.

And you obviously didn't read past that sentence.
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Old 02-01-2014, 12:46 PM
 
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They say all politics is local. Look at the last few elections results; especially state houses and you see a river of red .Its the shift based on results Biden talks about in his swing of the political pendulum.A sign of that is that since mid term first election Obama has turned to presidential orders to do most anything ;not able to actually make permanent laws.
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Old 02-01-2014, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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People make desperate attempts to re-design libertarianism to be all about fiscal conservatism, but it has always been more about social liberalism than anything else.
Social "liberalism" in the classical sense of the word, I agree. Today, however, social liberalism has become associated with Marxism, the antithesis of Libertarianism.

Government is absolutely essential, but only to protect liberty and property. It is not the purpose of government to socially re-engineer and control the people, but rather to preserve the liberty and property of the people.
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Old 02-01-2014, 01:17 PM
 
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Unfortunately not towards a strong third party that destroys the two current ones.

This.
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Old 02-01-2014, 01:37 PM
 
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Social "liberalism" in the classical sense of the word, I agree. Today, however, social liberalism has become associated with Marxism, the antithesis of Libertarianism.

Government is absolutely essential, but only to protect liberty and property. It is not the purpose of government to socially re-engineer and control the people, but rather to preserve the liberty and property of the people.
You confuse social liberalism and fiscal socialism.
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Old 02-01-2014, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Unfortunately not towards a strong third party that destroys the two current ones.
Who would control the 3rd party, the social liberals, or the fiscal conservatives? There would be people who support one, but oppose the other, and yet both want to be in this 3rd party, but for different reasons. The disagreements would tear the 3rd party into pieces.
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Old 02-01-2014, 01:43 PM
 
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The country is economically slightly liberal and on social issues it seems to be drifting more libertarian.
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