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Old 02-07-2014, 08:26 AM
 
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Originally Posted by sanspeur View Post
ID asserts that GOD is the designer...Read ID's wedge document that I provided a link to.
You're really pinning all your hopes on an outdated document?

If you wish to believe so, you'd also have to concede that Obama is a racist based on the documented evidence from his self-admitted spiritual mentor of 20+ years, which I've already provided. It's the same mentality.

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Old 02-07-2014, 08:29 AM
 
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There's no reason to believe ID other than your semantical interpretation of what GMO is.
How far have you gotten on your challenge...? Hmmm...?
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Here's a challenge for you...

Prove that the currently existing GENETICALLY Modified crops would have evolved via the Theory of Evolution. Let's see your evolution map, including any and all possible offspring permutations, naturally occurring genetic mutations, rule out the deleterious effects of such mutations, the heritability of the mutated traits, etc., etc.

Here's only a partial list of GMO crops:

Maize
Wheat
Rapeseed/Canola
Soybeans
Cotton

And remember that several have stacked non-naturally occurring GM traits.

You can even use... gasp... SCIENCE to try to do it.

Get moving! You have a lot of work to do!
 
Old 02-07-2014, 08:31 AM
 
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Why try to prove a moot point? No, GMO would not have existed if humans hadn't created them.

Neither would mules. Or test tube babies. Or countless strains of microbes who evolved to resist antibiotics. Are they proof of ID? I thought not.
 
Old 02-07-2014, 08:35 AM
 
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No, GMO would not have existed if humans hadn't created them.
Precisely. They do not fit the Theory of Evolution. They were created by an intelligent cause.
 
Old 02-07-2014, 08:41 AM
 
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Precisely. They do not fit the Theory of Evolution. They were created by an intelligent cause.
So were mules.

And antiobiotic resistant microbes.

Explain that, and all the other points you've conveniently ignored.
 
Old 02-07-2014, 08:50 AM
 
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I thought so. You have no argument based in logic.
 
Old 02-07-2014, 09:04 AM
 
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So were mules.
Their genetic material was artificially altered? Which corporations' labs produce mules? Can you cite them?

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And antiobiotic resistant microbes.
Some of those can indeed be traced back to the artificially genetically altered crops.
Antibiotic resistance marker genes in GM crops

Others developed naturally.
 
Old 02-07-2014, 09:08 AM
 
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Precisely. They do not fit the Theory of Evolution. They were created by an intelligent cause.
When in the real world, their existence does nothing to the theory of evolution. Just because something exists because "an intelligent cause" made it so does not mean that literally everything in the world was. Only certain things. But you'd have to actually understand basic logic to understand that.

 
Old 02-07-2014, 09:13 AM
 
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But you'd have to actually understand basic logic to understand that.
When you have no logical response, attack their intellectual ability. Well done.
 
Old 02-07-2014, 09:17 AM
 
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When in the real world, their existence does nothing to the theory of evolution. Just because something exists because "an intelligent cause" made it so does not mean that literally everything in the world was.
Sigh... I've already stated multiple times that ID is NOT Creationism. It does NOT assert that the universe and all living things were created.

The Theory of Evolution and ID coexist. There is evidence of both, and neither has a complete record.

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Just because something exists because "an intelligent cause" made it so does not mean that literally everything in the world was. Only certain things. But you'd have to actually understand basic logic to understand that.
If you understood basic logic, you'd realize that's exactly my point. Reread my underlined response, above.
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