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He gave the OK on killing OBL and he had several opportunities prior to that OK when he could have given the order to take OBL out.
Libya is free??? LOL Libya is so free that the US issues travel warnings back to back since we "freed" Libya. Here's the warning issued in December 2013 which came on the back of a warning issued in June.
How can anyone have forgotten Benghazi??? Obama and Hillary made a huge mess of Libya. Then they tried to put an unguarded embassy in one of it's most radical regions.
If this was any other country in the world other than Russia, hardly anyone would care. Israel and Turkey have made excursions into other countries without even a brief news headline. The US, well no explanation needed, the US is the expert at making excursions into other countries.
The US claims for Russia to "not involve in Ukraine", yet the US itself is involved in Ukraine. The West became involved in Libya, and the Balkans, the US in Panama, Grenada, etc; yet it is critical of Russia to be involved in Ukraine. This hypocrisy is easy to see, that is why when it comes to self interest (in this case, Russia's), all of these warning head little notice because of the pure hypocrisy of it all.
There was even criticism of Russia attacking Georgia, though all evidence, including an OSCE (I think it was them) report blames Georgia for the situation. Then the blame transformed from "why did Russia attack" to "Russia used a disproportionate amount of force"; as if a country is obligated not to use as many means as practical during a skirmish. Heck, the US is using multi-million dollar military equipment against the Taliban.
This is not a rant against the US, but the obvious stance of the US and West as in "only WE can do these things" is a bit ridiculous, and is really counter productive. As a US citizen, it is my critique of gov foreign policy actions.
Reality is; we here what the officials are stating on TV to appease their domestic audience, but in real life, they are talking frequently behind the scenes and know what moves are going on. This is evident if anyone is into reading political books by former insiders.
You have a lot of nerve comparing this to Chechnya which is far more justified than Afghanistan.
Russians created Chechen war with their own greedy hands. Reminder, Chechen don't/didn't want to secede, you can't force them to, they are so linked to Russia for their livelihood (btw, >50% of Slavic Russians would love Chechen to secede, they are so scared of them, ethnically united Chechen tend to dominate entire Russian villages and towns). BTW #2, Chechen are Russian speaking people too.
Russia armed fringe Chechen separatist groups, withdrew troops etc. from Chechnya (that left all their arms behind), let blood flow and animosity to grow, just to invade Chechnya using green troops manning unprotected armored columns that were annihilated (using the very same weapons Russians intentionally abandoned in Chechnya). Then Russia annihilated Chechen capital (dropped more bombs on it than Soviet used on Berlin in 1945) just to spend tens of billions of dollars in tribute so the son of the killed rebellion leader who serves as Chechen leader now could restore and rebuild Chechnya, the capital is rebuilt and it looks much better than many Russian cities of that size. Makes perfect sense. Honestly, 20 years after I can't make sense of it. How can you justify something that doesn't make remote sense? Sometimes corruption and stupidity combines to create surreal reality you just can't explain rationally.
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When have we ever been booted out of anything for our antics?
Our antics? US is not the bad guy here. Most of the member nations are western countries and on the same side of the argument as the US, so it can be done.
Our antics? US is not the bad guy here. Most of the member nations are western countries and on the same side of the argument as the US, so it can be done.
We`re not the bad guy here but we`ve been the bad guy more than once. Most of our allies tried to dissuade us from our lraq adventure did they not? All they got was insults and all we got was body bags and a trillion dollars of debt...and counting.
Let me get this straight. Would you have supported him if he doesn't say anything at all?
He's sending his disapproval. That's precisely what he should do as a world leader. He can't just stand around and not say anything at all.
Regarding actually doing something, there many options on the table other than doing absolutely nothing and sending in troops for an all out war. What is it with you people always thinking in the extremes?
The words he uses in the messages he is sending to show his disapproval isn't exactly what one would call diplomatic. Situations such as this require diplomacy as the first course of action. Clearly Obama doesn't understand diplomacy but is damn good at stirring the pot. That's why Putin keeps poking him in the eye with a pencil.
Only a stupid person would continuously agitate a crazy person to see how far they can push them.
I don't think you "get it" yet. The USA under the leadership of Obama, has no credibility. We will do nothing about Ukraine, just as we did nothing about Syria or any other country. We can't even do anything when our own Ambassador and Libya mission was attacked, and it's a sure bet we will sit and watch as Iran goes Nuclear. We will collectively pretend none of this is happening. The Obama Administration and it's minions, will collectively decide the the Memorandums for Security, the NATO agreements with Ukraine or any other country ..... are just "suggestions", "hopes" and ***, ***. There is no such thing anymore as "good faith". The world might wag their finger a bit, but then they will pretend none of this is happening - they will be led in that by the USA.
We aren't going to war over Ukraine, nor should we. It wouldn't even be an issue if we did have credibility. The fun really starts when we begin to pull out from Afghanistan - how are we going to get men and equipment out of there when we have to either Air Lift it (too much time and money) OR take it out through ..... wait for it ........ Russia?
The UN will go into session, but Russia has a VETO over anything they might say or think about doing. They will say that Russia is breaking International Law, but who exactly is going to do anything about that?
Nobody - in the old days, we had MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) to deter this sort of thing. That's gone - nobody in the world pays any attention to the USA "red lines", we are a laughing stock now.
It wasn't about going to war against Syria, and it's not about going to war against Russia -- nobody wants that and War is where you end up, not where you begin. We are now at the point under this leadership that we do nothing because they are so afraid of where we might end up - so we let the Thugs take over and wring our hands, wag our finger, lecture and hide under a desk.
Our "Transformed America" will "Transform the World". History will not be kind.
We didn't go into Afghanistan through Russia nor would we need to exit through Russia. We paid Pakistan to get entry and will pay them to exit unless Pakistan closes the roads and there is always that possibility. Only recourse would be to airlift our military and leave billions of dollars of equipment behind to be picked over by Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Freed Libya? You do know that Libya is run by extremist now? The same ones who killed ambassador Stevens.
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