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Old 03-03-2014, 09:12 AM
 
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You say don't want military action. So what do you want Obama to do?
First, he can quit kissing Putin's hind-quarters, then spend some time on this article in the Politico by Marco Rubio.

8 Steps Obama Must Take to Punish Russia - Marco Rubio - POLITICO Magazine
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:14 AM
 
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First, he can quit kissing Putin's hind-quarters, then spend some time on this article in the Politico by Marco Rubio.

8 Steps Obama Must Take to Punish Russia - Marco Rubio - POLITICO Magazine
How the hell is he kissing Putin's hindquarters? Because he isn't bombing or invading?
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:15 AM
 
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He's pretty much not doing anything, at least nothing big. And that is because he has very few options.

The UN is not going to do anything either.
This all could be a good lesson all around but it's highly unlikely as it seems that few want to actually learn anything.

We could learn that the U.N. is nothing but a cesspool of fraud. We could learn the fallacy of thinking we can change things. One might think that Putin would have learned from his country going into Afghanistan. We learned nothing from it so I'm not sure why we would expect him to though.
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:22 AM
 
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This all could be a good lesson all around but it's highly unlikely as it seems that few want to actually learn anything.

We could learn that the U.N. is nothing but a cesspool of fraud. We could learn the fallacy of thinking we can change things. One might think that Putin would have learned from his country going into Afghanistan. We learned nothing from it so I'm not sure why we would expect him to though.
Putin doesn't care about learning from history; according to him, the fall of the USSR was the biggest calamity in world history. He's not interested in running his nation as anything more than a mafia state. He wants power and influence. Whatever lessons there are to be learned from the Soviet Union's involvement in Afghanistan are irrelevant to him.

He is taking advantage of weakness in Ukraine. He's scared of western influence. The Cold War never really ended.
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:23 AM
 
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First, he can quit kissing Putin's hind-quarters, then spend some time on this article in the Politico by Marco Rubio.

8 Steps Obama Must Take to Punish Russia - Marco Rubio - POLITICO Magazine
And we should send high-level delegations to our allies in Central and Eastern Europe to reinforce the fact that we are standing by them.

Do we still have any?

Third, the United States should rally our allies to boycott this June’s G-8 summit in Sochi, Russia. And if Russian troops do not leave Ukraine immediately, Russia should be expelled from this group altogether.

Rubio is a naive as Obama here. Russia isn't going to get expelled. They could start WWIII and not get expelled. It would just be another argument Obama would lose. Seriously on top of that nobody cares whether we go to the G-8 summit outside of a handful of people. Screw them.

Fifth, the U.S. and our allies should put forward a condemnatory resolution in the United Nations Security Council. A Russian or Chinese veto would make clear to the world the hypocrisy of these governments, since they say they oppose foreign intervention into the affairs of sovereign countries—unless of course they are the ones intervening.

THe world knows this. Stating the obvious is nothing more than stating the obvious. And what was Rubio saying here?

Robert Menendez and Marco Rubio Support Bigger U.S. Role in Syria Conflict

Robert Menendez and Marco Rubio Support Bigger U.S. Role in Syria Conflict | Fox News Latino

They also know our politicians are as big of a hypocrite which is why they are not going to follow us.
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:24 AM
 
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Putin doesn't care about learning from history; according to him, the fall of the USSR was the biggest calamity in world history. He's not interested in running his nation as anything more than a mafia state. He wants power and influence. Whatever lessons there are to be learned from the Soviet Union's involvement in Afghanistan are irrelevant to him.

He is taking advantage of weakness in Ukraine. He's scared of western influence. The Cold War never really ended.
Mafia state, no wonder Obama wants to appease him. They could put their heads together and rule the world.
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:25 AM
 
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Putin doesn't care about learning from history; according to him, the fall of the USSR was the biggest calamity in world history. He's not interested in running his nation as anything more than a mafia state. He wants power and influence. Whatever lessons there are to be learned from the Soviet Union's involvement in Afghanistan are irrelevant to him.

He is taking advantage of weakness in Ukraine. He's scared of western influence. The Cold War never really ended.
I don't disagree but why should we expect him to learn lessons we refuse to learn?
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:27 AM
 
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I don't disagree but why should we expect him to learn lessons we refuse to learn?
Are you talking about Afghanistan? I would argue that we HAVE learned that lesson.
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:35 AM
 
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Once in awhile the WaPo wakes up to what a foolish leader America has in the WH, and when you lose the WaPo, they can get nasty. "For five years, President Obama has led a foreign policy based more on how he thinks the world should operate than on reality."

President Obama’s foreign policy is based on fantasy - The Washington Post

I thought Carter was bad, but Obama has to be the most incompetent and delusional president ever. To make it worse, he's a pompous egoist who is convinced he can change everything just by reading a speech read from a teleprompter. Well, now he's in it. He hit Putin with a speech, and Putin essentially told him to stick it. So now what? The last thing I want is military action, but weak presidents make bad decisions and I fear this could get much worse.
GW Bush negotiated for years to place a missile defense system in Poland not only for our protection, but for the protection of our European allies. Of course, the laughable Obama administration has since removed that system.....There's no way that Russia would be invading Ukraine if that defense system was still in place. Our President is hellbent on destroying our country. He's best to just stay out of this.
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:41 AM
 
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Are you talking about Afghanistan? I would argue that we HAVE learned that lesson.
We should have learned it when the Soviets failed when they went in.
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