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Old 03-11-2014, 02:22 PM
 
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Yes especially special treatment to themselves, the political elite.
i don't give a rip about the taxation of the political elite.
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Does anyone really think that Pelosi would be screaming tax the rich if she was targeted? Pelosi opposes a cut in congressional pay because it would diminish the dignity. What do you think she would be screaming if you went after her wealth?
why do you care about Pelosi so much?

she seems like a distraction from the topic .... your topic.
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Old 03-11-2014, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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So taxing the rich (wealthy) that so many hate would be a wealth tax not an income tax.
Who cares if anybody hates the rich? They're rich. They got nothing legitimate to ***** about.

That said, there are a lot of different options for how to tax. A progressive income tax is as good as any, and certainly a whole lot easier and more efficient to implement than most others.
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Old 03-11-2014, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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I note that you have no better suggestion.

Here is the correlation:

Group: ** Mean Household Income ** Mean Household Net Worth ** Mean Household Financial (non house) Wealth
Top 1 percent ** $1,318,200 ** $16,439,400 ** $15,171,600
Top 20 percent ** $226,200 ** $2,061,600 ** $1,719,800
60th-80th percentile ** $72,000 ** $216,900 ** $100,700
40th-60th percentile ** $41,700** $61,000 ** $12,200
Bottom 40 percent ** $17,300 ** -$10,600 ** -$14,800

It's actually even a better surrogate the more I look at it. Not perfect, but not bad.


Nonsense. If you're just starting out and you make a quarter million a year, you are perfectly poised to accumulate a vast amount of wealth over your remaining anticipated lifetime.

I for one can only chuckle at how big a whiner a person needs to be to complain that they are screwed... when they are actually making a quarter million dollars a year while still in their 20s.


That's the way it's supposed to work. What about it do you find objectionable?


And that has what to do with the thread? Exactly?

I have one issue with your choices on numbers and that's that you're using mean. Mean is nice when you have nice normally distributed numbers but with the amount of uber uber rich people creating severe statistical anomalies mean gets distorted and becomes a pretty bad term to use. A much more representative choice would be median.
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Old 03-11-2014, 02:23 PM
 
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you know damn well what rich is... and most people on here aren't anywhere close to it.
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Old 03-11-2014, 02:24 PM
 
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No.
No.
Yes, for now.
Yes, for now. But if they prove to be even the least bit competent at managing their finances, they will be rich... pretty much regardless of how they are taxed.
How do you manage money that the government takes away from you?

And why is it rich only increases by $50k for married couples? A married couple can make $125k each and be considered rich.
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Old 03-11-2014, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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it is worse than useless, it is misleading and wrong.
You have made no actual case to that effect.

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actually i think that's statistics or demography, not geometry.
Could be either. If you want to take credit for flunking all three, be my guest.

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the one where the 90th percentile has more in common with the 50th percentile than the 99th percentile.
Oh. I see. The arbitrary one.

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"middle class" does not have to be 50% of the population.
You are correct. Across most of recorded history it has been a much, much, much smaller percentage than that.
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Old 03-11-2014, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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How do you manage money that the government takes away from you?
You don't. Insert "duh" here.

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And why is it rich only increases by $50k for married couples?
Because the cost of supporting two people is not double the cost of supporting one.

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A married couple can make $125k each and be considered rich.
Yes. They could.

And in most cases, it would be true.
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Old 03-11-2014, 02:31 PM
 
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Rich = ability to influence politicians to do your bidding or to leave you alone. Whatever that entails, that's what rich is in this country. If you have $5 million in savings, but are on the wrong side of some bureaucrat's anger, you are not rich, you're a poor person who hasn't had the goons kick your door down. On the other hand, if you have $50k in savings, but have greased all the right skids, then you're safe and secure.

We live in a bureaucratic thugocracy. Rich means either they don't know about you or have been paid to not care about you.
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Old 03-11-2014, 02:32 PM
 
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You are correct. Across most of recorded history it has been a much, much, much smaller percentage than that.
so if you understand how the middle class can comprise less than 50%

why do you act as if it cannot comprise more than 50%?
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Old 03-11-2014, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Does anyone really think that Pelosi would be screaming tax the rich if she was targeted?
Excuse me?

She is targeted.

She and her husband make far more than $250K a year between them, and pay a huge amount of capital gains each year.

What are you on about?

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Pelosi opposes a cut in congressional pay because it would diminish the dignity. What do you think she would be screaming if you went after her wealth?
As far as I can tell, she's not among the group bitching about paying their taxes.
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