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All of the fathers claiming they would shoot are saying so because they are upset that they FAILED as a parent...
No, any clear knowlege of failure as a parent would have to come AFTER the fact. When a strange man, an intruder, is in your home, in your daughter's bedroom, and she says she does not know him, the normal reaction for any father would be to stop him by any means necessary, including termination. The father here did the right thing UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. Knowing the facts afterwards may clarify that another course of action might have been better, but at the moment he acted properly (given that all we've seen in the news reports are accurate.) Just because his daughter is a lying skank does not mean he should be less vigilant about protecting her within the family home.
Hindsight is 20/20.
I've made mistakes in my life which became clear much later. But based on what I knew at the moment I made those choices (and not all I learned afterwards) they were usually proper at the time. We can sit here and apply all that is now known to the events, but we were not in that room and did not see in detail nor hear what was said by each party. We have the luxury of time and distance. If the reporting is accurate, the daughter is undoubtedly to blame, as is the boy for knowingly and willingly putting himself in that room under those conditions at that hour. I still contend that the father did the right thing unless it comes to light that he knew more than is being told in the news stories.
I believe I would have done the same, but doubt that I would have asked any questions before firing upon someone I found in my daughters room at such an hour. My feeling is that any intruder I find in my home, and that includes anyone who I am not previously aware of, whom I did not knowingly admit, and who is trying to conceal their presence from me as the homeowner, is subject to being shot on sight. My go-to gun is kept loaded and quickly available when I retire for the night. I truly hope I never have occasion to use it.
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No, any clear knowlege of failure as a parent would have to come AFTER the fact. When a strange man, an intruder, is in your home, in your daughter's bedroom, and she says she does not know him, the normal reaction for any father would be to stop him by any means necessary, including termination. The father here did the right thing UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. Knowing the facts afterwards may clarify that another course of action might have been better, but at the moment he acted properly (given that all we've seen in the news reports are accurate.) Just because his daughter is a lying skank does not mean he should be less vigilant about protecting her within the family home.
Hindsight is 20/20.
I've made mistakes in my life which became clear much later. But based on what I knew at the moment I made those choices (and not all I learned afterwards) they were usually proper at the time. We can sit here and apply all that is now known to the events, but we were not in that room and did not see in detail nor hear what was said by each party. We have the luxury of time and distance. If the reporting is accurate, the daughter is undoubtedly to blame, as is the boy for knowingly and willingly putting himself in that room under those conditions at that hour. I still contend that the father did the right thing unless it comes to light that he knew more than is being told in the news stories.
I believe I would have done the same, but doubt that I would have asked any questions before firing upon someone I found in my daughters room at such an hour. My feeling is that any intruder I find in my home, and that includes anyone who I am not previously aware of, whom I did not knowingly admit, and who is trying to conceal their presence from me as the homeowner, is subject to being shot on sight. My go-to gun is kept loaded and quickly available when I retire for the night.
I'd actually have more understanding of you than the dad. He didn't shoot on sight out of fear or as an instinctual reaction to protect one's family. He supposedly shot the teen after an 'argument' of some sort and because the teen 'reached for something.' My guess is the 'argument' was about the daughter, the teen didn't reach for anything, and the dad shot due to anger, not fear.
I'd actually have more understanding of you than the dad. He didn't shoot on sight out of fear or as an instinctual reaction to protect one's family. He supposedly shot the teen after an 'argument' of some sort and because the teen 'reached for something.' My guess is the 'argument' was about the daughter, the teen didn't reach for anything, and the dad shot due to anger, not fear.
How do you know ? Were you there ? Are you his shrink ? Are you the doctor ? Are you a witness?
Let me answer for you , NO .. We can only go by the information provided to us so far.
Excellent points on human nature... I usually encountered that kind of insights from LEOs with years of experience. Are you a one?
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Originally Posted by CrownVic95
We don't agree at all.
The vast majority of people are not killing machines and I've heard no facts presented that would lead us to believe that this father was one, either. But.......put a gun in the hand of any human being and place them in a scenario where emotions suddenly run wild and you have a killer that would never, ever otherwise be one.
Here we have yet another gun owner - likely well-intentioned - whose gun did no protecting, but served only to wreak havoc on his family's future.
That 17 yo was invited by the rightful resident of that property.
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Originally Posted by tinman01
Unless your kid told you where he was going and had your permission I would say that makes him a bit of a lying, sneaking **** himself. Not to mention dumber than a box of rocks.
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