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What theocracy? I live here in the USA. Now you have every right to stomp and scream while you dream of a corrupted society. So far we have done well without it. Now pack your bags and head to Amsterdam.
Or Canada, or Cuba, or England, or Russia, Or Venezuela, or Mexico, or any other nation that you feel we should be....
Conservative: "Do whatever you want within the allowances of the U.S. Constitution."
Liberal: "Do whatever I want you to do"
Except that slavery and Jim Crow laws were conservative ideals.....The abolitionists and Civil Rights movement were progressive......
One day you'll figure out that conservatives always lose to progress. That's not to be confused that traditions and all conservatisms falls to the wayside.... because it doesn't. It's just that we keep moving forward.....
Remember they know the vast majority of Americans would never listen to word they had to say if they called themselves what they so clearly are Marxists, like a true parasitic organisms they have to hide and leech off of the host...fearing that once it became aware of its existence it will exterminate them
It's cute how you are soooooo scared of an idea......
Marxism followed "capitalism"..... you know why?
Because capitalism can be a terrible thing.... like any "-ism". There have never been "free markets" just people pulling the strings while the good sheep smile and nod.
It's cute so many of you think marxism is the bogey man, still believing in bedtime stories.....
In the real world, we operate in a quasi-capitalistic-socialists word. Y'all know China has been devaluing their currency in order to boast their manufacturing and exports.... But hooray for the free markets!
That being said, the difference between right wing and left wing politics is simple. First, you have to understand that fiscal models are mere tools and do not characterize the right and left. You can have a socialist right wing government and a capitalist left wing government. The full difference between right and left wing politics resides entirely in social politics.
With this in mind, the precise difference between left and right wing politics can be thusly stated:
Left wing politics aim to individualize society.
The goal of left wing politics is to reduce group cohesion so that our "nation" is comprised, at the end (communist) stage, of a disparate group of politically powerless individuals who cannot form cohesive groups that can effectively exercise political power against the government/ effective aristocracy. The individual's rights are always held above any natural rights of the social group. Thus, homosexuals, women, minorities (whether black, white, whatever) are all taught that their interests are different from the interests of the group at large and thus that they comprise their own special interest group. This is the process of individuation. The former large group is now effectively fractioned and is less politically effective. It is now vulnerable to the political influence and control by more cohesive groups (the aristocracy, etc.) Leftist politics work against the traditional family unit, and thus the community which arises from the traditional family unit, and thus the cohesive nation that arises from cohesive communities. This is the process of group fractionation toward political impudence. Left wing politics are an intergroup weapon and not a legitimate political movement. Legitimate political movements always increase group power because no group would knowingly engage in political action that reduced their own influence. If a group engages in such politics, then they can be viewed as a compromised or controlled group. Because the nature of left wing politics is to elevate the individual over the group, group power is always decreased and not increased. Thus, left wing politics are not legitimate as a true political movement beyond medium term special interest political gain. This gain will be dissipated in the end stage when ALL groups are effectively individualized, and the individuals are reconstituted into a politically ineffective group shallowly rooted in class interests. At this point, class identity will be your only group identity. You will be willing to accept your class identity because of the years of poverty that arose from low or no group power. It will prime you to accept ANY identity that may confer even specious power. The fragile so-called "power" that arises from class identity politics is ever so easily manipulated through easily changed economic policies from the top. Your very identity would be completely controlled, through economic policy, by the group that you would hope to influence and keep under control. Does that sound like a smart move to you?
Right wing politics look to increase political power through cultural reinforcement of family identity, thus community identity, and thus national identity. All rooted in group cohesion that arises from a strong family-centric culture. Right wing politics are a legitimate political movement because they alone build functional, hard to manipulate, and hard to destroy group (the "people" or the "nation") power.
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Originally Posted by ErikBEggs
Yep.
Conservatives try to reverse what Progressives build. It is called regression.
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That would be a cute statement if it weren't sad. Perhaps some seven year olds will debate you using the adolescent terms that you, yourself (and other liberals), define.
Thinking adults know that the self-awarded liberal term "progressive" is meaningless at best and, in the case of many liberals who define themselves as "progressive", a sign that they hold zero context as to the long social evolution of human beings. The evolution to the traditional family unit was the truest, most radical "progressive" evolutionary leap from a non-society based on survival of the fittest individual. The fact that you celebrate a return to the pre-society reign of the individual with the word "progressive" shows how little you know of human history or of human nature. You have only demonstrated just how anti-social and cynical the mind of a so called "progressive" is.
Conservatives try to reverse what Progressives build. It is called regression.
That is why conservatives are trying to:
repeal health care reform
curtail voting rights for minorities
stop gays from obtaining the right to marry
cut back on social social security which has reduced the amount of elderly in poverty
shatter unions that protect worker rights and brought us the 5 day work week
repeal the minimum wage
cut funding to public education all over the country (gives low income children a fighting chance)
cut / stifle public transportation upgrades
I can go on and on.
Conservatives want to return us to the most primitive decades of American society, all while selling the illusion of personal freedom. Excuse me for not falling for any of it.
Name one Democrat who will proclaim their support of Obamacare in 2014.
"In addition, a new CNN poll found that 55 percent of voters surveyed said that when it comes to congressional races, they're more likely to vote for a candidate who opposes Obama than one who supports the president."
"Seventy-eight percent of American voters said they supported the requirement by some states to show proof of citizenship in order to register to vote, and only 19 percent opposed it, according to a Rasmussen Reports poll taken March 20-21 of 1,000 likely voters."[LEFT]
Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com Rasmussen Poll: 78 Percent of Voters Support Voter ID Laws
Urgent: Should Obamacare Be Repealed? Vote Here Now!
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Same-sex marriage is important to about 2% of voters.
Except that slavery and Jim Crow laws were conservative ideals.....The abolitionists and Civil Rights movement were progressive......
One day you'll figure out that conservatives always lose to progress. That's not to be confused that traditions and all conservatisms falls to the wayside.... because it doesn't. It's just that we keep moving forward.....
Once again, wrong the Republican party was built on abolitionism and civil right...
If your remember it was the Democratic south who very heavily favor slavery..
This idea a small elite can tell us how to live our lives better then us, a idea that for the last 10,000 years has ruled over the human race is some how progress and not regressive statism really does speak volumes about you and your views...
It's cute how you are soooooo scared of an idea......
Marxism followed "capitalism"..... you know why?
Because capitalism can be a terrible thing.... like any "-ism". There have never been "free markets" just people pulling the strings while the good sheep smile and nod.
It's cute so many of you think marxism is the bogey man, still believing in bedtime stories.....
In the real world, we operate in a quasi-capitalistic-socialists word. Y'all know China has been devaluing their currency in order to boast their manufacturing and exports.... But hooray for the free markets!
Yeah it is soooo terrible, tell me when in a capitalistic nation people are taken to the country side, force to a dig a trench and are shot..
You are aware devaluing currecny has really bad long term effects, namely trade wars..
Then again you would support or at least not see marxism for what it really is...why is it people like you never go to Cuba, or North Korea?
That being said, the difference between right wing and left wing politics is simple. First, you have to understand that fiscal models are mere tools and do not characterize the right and left. You can have a socialist right wing government and a capitalist left wing government. The full difference between right and left wing politics resides entirely in social politics.
With this in mind, the precise difference between left and right wing politics can be thusly stated:
Left wing politics aim to individualize society.
The goal of left wing politics is to reduce group cohesion so that our "nation" is comprised, at the end (communist) stage, of a disparate group of politically powerless individuals who cannot form cohesive groups that can effectively exercise political power against the government/ effective aristocracy. The individual's rights are always held above any natural rights of the social group. Thus, homosexuals, women, minorities (whether black, white, whatever) are all taught that their interests are different from the interests of the group at large and thus that they comprise their own special interest group. This is the process of individuation. The former large group is now effectively fractioned and is less politically effective. It is now vulnerable to the political influence and control by more cohesive groups (the aristocracy, etc.) Leftist politics work against the traditional family unit, and thus the community which arises from the traditional family unit, and thus the cohesive nation that arises from cohesive communities. This is the process of group fractionation toward political impudence. Left wing politics are an intergroup weapon and not a legitimate political movement. Legitimate political movements always increase group power because no group would knowingly engage in political action that reduced their own influence. If a group engages in such politics, then they can be viewed as a compromised or controlled group. Because the nature of left wing politics is to elevate the individual over the group, group power is always decreased and not increased. Thus, left wing politics are not legitimate as a true political movement beyond medium term special interest political gain. This gain will be dissipated in the end stage when ALL groups are effectively individualized, and the individuals are reconstituted into a politically ineffective group shallowly rooted in class interests. At this point, class identity will be your only group identity. You will be willing to accept your class identity because of the years of poverty that arose from low or no group power. It will prime you to accept ANY identity that may confer even specious power. The fragile so-called "power" that arises from class identity politics is ever so easily manipulated through easily changed economic policies from the top. Your very identity would be completely controlled, through economic policy, by the group that you would hope to influence and keep under control. Does that sound like a smart move to you?
Right wing politics look to increase political power through cultural reinforcement of family identity, thus community identity, and thus national identity. All rooted in group cohesion that arises from a strong family-centric culture. Right wing politics are a legitimate political movement because they alone build functional, hard to manipulate, and hard to destroy group (the "people" or the "nation") power.
That would be a cute statement if it weren't sad. Perhaps some seven year olds will debate you using the adolescent terms that you, yourself (and other liberals), define.
Thinking adults know that the self-awarded liberal term "progressive" is meaningless at best and, in the case of many liberals who define themselves as "progressive", a sign that they hold zero context as to the long social evolution of human beings. The evolution to the traditional family unit was the truest, most radical "progressive" evolutionary leap from a non-society based on survival of the fittest individual. The fact that you celebrate a return to the pre-society reign of the individual with the word "progressive" shows how little you know of human history or of human nature. You have only demonstrated just how anti-social and cynical the mind of a so called "progressive" is.
golgi1, For the love of god, go to radio or run for office...
Once again, wrong the Republican party was built on abolitionism and civil right...
If your remember it was the Democratic south who very heavily favor slavery..
This idea a small elite can tell us how to live our lives better then us, a idea that for the last 10,000 years has ruled over the human race is some how progress and not regressive statism really does speak volumes about you and your views...
I know it is difficult, but you know he was saying progressive and conservative, not Democratic and Republican, right?
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