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Old 04-02-2017, 02:22 PM
 
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Just give up and move to Brazil already and live in your dream shantytown. No one in the US wants to live in your idea of paradise in a shack and definitely not near it.

Just leave, here's what your ideas become:

Travelocity says the cheapest one-way ticket in August to Brazil is $1,854 - I figured that would be the cheapest as it's four months off AND the climate equivalent of February there, i.e. a very off-peak time to fly there.

In your world, you can expect to have ongoing housing shortages with neverending protests for a minimum wage hike. Because minimum wage increases do NOTHING to resolve the underlying housing shortage which drives up rents, minimum wage hikes merely enable further rent increases and thereby promot further protests.

Good luck!

 
Old 04-02-2017, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Brazil's President Rousseff should have worried about the economy and jobs instead of climate change. She was impeached for corruption.

Presidents Obama and Dilma Rousseff commit to intensify collaboration between the United States and Brazil, both bilaterally and under the United Nations as our countries work to address the challenges posed by climate change. Dilma Rousseff Is Ousted as Brazil’s President in Impeachment Vote

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I don't think that Brazil has a welfare problem, but the do have a problem with corruption.
They do have the common sense to understand the threat of climate change.


They are not a socialist state by the way. Did you read the one year old article regarding their protectionist policies, now where have I heard that before
 
Old 04-03-2017, 08:02 AM
 
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"Poverty" once had some concrete meaning -- not enough food to eat or not enough clothing or shelter to protect you from the elements, for example. Today it means whatever the government bureaucrats, who set up the statistical criteria, choose to make it mean. Most Americans with incomes below the official poverty level are far from being hungry but an arbitrary definition of words and numbers gives them access to the taxpayers' money.
Even when they have the potential to become productive members of society, the loss of welfare state benefits if they try to do so is an implicit "tax" on what they would earn that often exceeds the explicit tax on a millionaire.
If increasing your income by $10,000 would cause you to lose $15,000 in government benefits, would you do it?
The left's welfare state makes poverty more comfortable, while penalizing attempts to rise out of poverty.
The poverty level for one person is $11,880 a year, that is $990 a month. A non-disabled, non-elderly adult is not eligible for any social service benefits including SNAP benefits . If they qualify for project housing, they would be placed at the end of a 4-6 year waiting list, after the disabled elderly and families with children.

So, why don't you explain how a person living on less than $990 a month have it so good? It should be easy for you since that is the premise of your entire argument.
 
Old 04-03-2017, 08:10 AM
 
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The poverty level for one person is $11,880 a year, that is $990 a month. A non-disabled, non-elderly adult is not eligible for any social service benefits including SNAP benefits . If they qualify for project housing, they would be placed at the end of a 4-6 year waiting list, after the disabled elderly and families with children.

So, why don't you explain how a person living on less than $990 a month have it so good? It should be easy for you since that is the premise of your entire argument.
Easy... so what happens if you get above the board job where you report your income?
 
Old 04-03-2017, 08:10 AM
 
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I have no problem with making those on welfare as long as they wean corporations off of welfare as well.
 
Old 04-03-2017, 08:18 AM
 
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I have no problem with making those on welfare as long as they wean corporations off of welfare as well.
Agree, and they can start with liberal colleges, for example Princeton who gets $40k a student. No wonder these liberal professor teach big government. They had hoped to get more tax payer funded welfare.

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Old 04-03-2017, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Easy... so what happens if you get above the board job where you report your income?
How is it "easy?"

Why don''t you break it down for us instead of deflecting to something completely unrelated.

How much does the average person pay for:

Rent/housing costs
Food
Medical care
Utilities
 
Old 04-03-2017, 09:52 AM
 
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Easy... so what happens if you get above the board job where you report your income?
So you are basing your 'premise' on the fact that all people earning < poverty level work under the table?
 
Old 04-03-2017, 09:55 AM
 
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Agree, and they can start with liberal colleges, for example Princeton who gets $40k a student. No wonder these liberal professor teach big government. They had hoped to get more tax payer funded welfare.

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lol

Evangelical Liberty University received half a billion dollars in federal aid money
 
Old 04-03-2017, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Oh my, bringing a thread from 2014 back to life.

Yeah, the problem is that government benefits are too generous -- right. U.S. benefits aren't anything like those in Europe and they have successful outcomes.

But the whole idea that subjecting people to starvation and homelessness creates an incentive to work is just an excuse for selfishness. Throughout most of human history the poor were left to starve and die in the streets and it didn't provide them the incentive to lift themselves out of poverty. Yet, conservatives contend the poor are worse off with government help.

This meme is thrust upon Americans to swallow which happens to serve the interests of the wealthy conservatives that benefit from those policies. Modern conservatism uses the smoke-screen of self-reliance, individualism and character to mask policies which are self-serving, bigoted and cruel. The cadre of conservative billionaires don't want to pay higher taxes that will be used to help "those people." Thus, they invent a myth that the best way to help the poor is to NOT provide them any help at all. This way, according to them, their misery will give the poor the incentive to become educated and industrious. As I said earlier, this has never worked in all of human history.

Their objective is to keep taxes on the rich low and keep government out of their hair. But these people's numbers are small, so they need to fund propaganda groups like the Heritage Foundation to create false data and spread the message to middle-class conservatives, who are generally stupid enough to swallow their lies. Thus the pro-life conservative-leaning worker who listens to Rush Limbaugh will repeatedly vote for the party that is less likely to protect his safety, less likely to protect his job, and less likely to benefit him economically.
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