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Old 03-25-2014, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Keep telling yourself that. And if they are not prohibitively expensive it will be because the country has become so depressed that we are using far less petrol.

"In our lifetime," I take that to mean you don't care about anything after your own expiration date.
That's a stretch even for you. We have many decades to solve the fossil fuel problem.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Okay, so does that mean 60% of the gas tax is enough to cover the cost of local and state roads? Does that mean 100% would be enough to cover the cost of local and state roads?
Maybe. I don't know. I haven't done the math.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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I'm not understanding why light rail wouldn't make economic sense in LA. People spend hours of their day in their cars. That's hours that could be spent much more productively working, corresponding, etc. while on the train.
Because it will cost hundreds of billions of dollars and millions of people don't commute to a central location.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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I like how OP has a bunch of observations, but no actual facts.
Fact is Commuters are ditching cars in record numbers

Also, this thread kind of came out of left field. Was disdain of public transit part of this mornings two minutes of hate on talk radio?
I don't listen to hate on talk radio like you do. Grow up.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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I like how OP has a bunch of observations, but no actual facts.
Fact is Commuters are ditching cars in record numbers
year /Ridership (millions) / population(millions / ratio

1990 / 8956 / 249 / 36.0

2000 / 9403 / 281 / 33.4

2010 / 10172 / 309 / 32.95

Ridership Report
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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That's a stretch even for you. We have many decades to solve the fossil fuel problem.
How do you solve a problem of finite supply? You can't grow petroleum. And 99% of it has been found. In many cases it is not economically feasible to get it out of the ground and processed, especially if you don't want to degrade the environment (not that I expect you to care about that).
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Richmond/Philadelphia/Brooklyn
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^^ Still is is important to mention that road miles traveled has remained stagnant since 2008
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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If you combine all the gas taxes, tolls, and vehicle registration fees you get just 20% of the yearly cost to maintain the existing road network without building a single new road or paying off a single penny of previous bonds used to build older roads. That means 80% of the cost, I.E. the vast bulk of the total cost, getting paid for out of the general fund or by state or local taxes.

Total lie.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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How do you solve a problem of finite supply? You can't grow petroleum. And 99% of it has been found. In many cases it is not economically feasible to get it out of the ground and processed, especially if you don't want to degrade the environment (not that I expect you to care about that).
I never said we should not solve the problem. But we have many decades to solve it. And there are good solutions other than rail.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Richmond/Philadelphia/Brooklyn
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How do you solve a problem of finite supply? You can't grow petroleum. And 99% of it has been found. In many cases it is not economically feasible to get it out of the ground and processed, especially if you don't want to degrade the environment (not that I expect you to care about that).
I swear, as soon as all of the fracking oil in the Northwest is used up, all of these big oil fans are going to be scratching their heads, thinking maybe oil really is a finite resource after all .
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