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Old 05-29-2014, 06:25 AM
 
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How dumb are people? Do you really believe that Obama would go after "the rich"? Of course not.
Actually Obama and the Democrats have gone after the rich. The top tax bracket rate increased, the capital gains tax rate increased, and now there's an additional 0.9% payroll tax on high-wage earners, and a 3.8% tax on the unearned income of high-income individuals.

However, the rich end up having the last laugh because after all those tax increases, they're still coming out ahead.

Income Inequality Worse Under Obama Than George W. Bush

And why is that? Progressive tax systems, those which tax higher-income individuals more than anyone else, create a perverse incentive for the government to enact policies that widen the income gap in order to maximize tax revenue.

The top 1% earns 18.7% of the income, but pays 35.1% of the federal income tax revenue, roughly twice their fair share which is 4 times what the middle class pays (the middle class pays only about half of their fair share of the federal income tax compared to their share of the income). The problem with our country's progressive tax system is that it creates a perverse incentive for the federal government to enact policies that promote as wide of an income gap as possible in order to maximize tax revenue.

Others have noticed, too...
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"[Economist Anatole] Kaletsky argues that over-reliance on progressive taxes creates "a perverse incentive for governments to promote income inequality. If the solvency of the state and the ability to fund basic services for the poorest people in society depends on the rich getting even richer, it is tempting for even the most progressive politicians to support widening inequalities."
The liberal case for regressive taxation - Salon.com

As long as the U.S. has a progressive tax system, the incentive remains to keep the income gap as wide as possible, and this is why: When the top 1% loses income share, the federal government loses twice that much in tax revenue. But when the top 1% gains income share, the federal government consequently gains twice that much in tax revenue.

Think about that very carefully.

And true to form, Mr. 'tax the rich's" presidency (Obama) has resulted in EXACTLY what was predicted by the economist quoted above. The income gap has grown wider, faster under Obama.

The knee-jerk "tax the rich" mantra has got to go. People really need to start using critical thinking skills to think things through and make sure they really want the negative unintended consequences that result from simplistic political pandering and slogan-induced policy.
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:07 AM
 
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It's safe to say that most of us game the tax system to the extent doing so is legal and feasible.

It's just that it's usually more feasible for people with wealth or with non-employee income than it is for those with only wage and salary income.
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:08 AM
 
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It's safe to say that most of us game the tax system to the extent doing so is legal and feasible.

It's just that it's usually more feasible for people with wealth or with non-employee income than it is for those with only wage and salary income.
No it is not......you just believe that.
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Kind of a theoretical question that must be asked in lieu of the Supreme Court's decision earlier this week. If the rich have so much money to give that they needed the high court to allow them to give even more money to political campaigns, they should be able to afford to pay higher taxes, right?
This is CD. Don't bother trying to use that logic stuff here...
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:13 AM
 
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^^^^ Could that be why Obama is into so many regulations on business. So they will contribute to his cause and he gets off their backs.
Show us some examples of his many "regulations on business."
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:15 AM
 
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Show us some examples of his many "regulations on business."
Obamacare comes to mind.

The EPA has have a huge impact.
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:19 AM
 
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??? The lowest income group has wealth?
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:20 AM
 
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Show us some examples of his many "regulations on business."
The Business Roundtable has already done so. This was in the news, repeatedly. Did you miss it?

Letter to Director Orszag on Policy Burdens Inhibiting Economic Growth | Business Roundtable
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:23 AM
 
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??? The lowest income group has wealth?
Wealth is the value of all the property, possessions, and/or money that someone or something has. An inherited chair worth 50 cents is wealth. There is no lower or upper limit on wealth.
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:25 AM
 
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It is apparently cheaper for the ruling class to bribe politicians than it is to pat the taxes that would result if they did not.
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