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Old 04-04-2014, 01:10 PM
 
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I'm talking about effective tax rates, not dollar amounts...of course you probably knew that already, neo-con.
If the poor can afford booze, cigarettes and peep shows they can afford to pay taxes.
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:32 PM
 
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i.e. If you're rich, you should be able to buy as many politicians as you like.
If you live in a free country, you should be able to spend your money on whatever you want.

I love how folks are shrieking about being able to "buy" politicians, yet letting the corrupt politicians are are allowing themselves to be "bought" off the hook.

I'm curious, do you count unions that those rich folk that are able to buy as many politicians as they like?
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:33 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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If the poor can afford booze, cigarettes and peep shows they can afford to pay taxes.
It's already been proven in this thread that the poster you responded to is woefully misinformed on various income groups' effective federal income tax rates.
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:38 PM
 
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Family money that the heirs did nothing to earn, which discredits the point I was addressing, that these people earned what they have.

Moreover, we see today that most of the top 0.1% are in the executive suite, which earns hundreds of times the AVERAGE worker (not the lowest worker). Nobody can show that these executives work hundreds of times harder than the average work.

Why normal people defend the privileged aristocracy is beyond me.
It does if you count working smarter, taking more risk, and MUCH more responsibility.

I defend them because it's a free country, built on the opportunity to earn great wealth. I defend them because I've never been hired by a poor person. I defend them because they pay most of the taxes that fund the non-taxpayers.
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:41 PM
 
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Lefties have no idea about economics. They have been brainwashed to think being wealthy is bad. Only the poor are good people.
Brainwashed to think that the government deserves all money, and the govtshould decide how much of OUR money we get to keep.
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:41 PM
 
Location: southern california
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When people donate its of their own free will
When u determine that they are the fall guy for mr lazy spending habits it's a mugging
Something that flys well in the hood but not with we the people
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:49 PM
 
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All taxable income is included in the average effective federal income tax rate data: earned income, unearned income (e.g. propery income, pensions), short-term capital gains, long-term capital gains, etc.

For example, Schedule D, which one files with their annual tax return, is where one reports their realized capital gains or losses. That information is then factored into one's federal income tax liability.
Soooo does that include social security? I mean thats a federal tax right? what is it? 6.3% from you, and 6.3% from your employer who would otherwise pay it to you?

Thats a 12.6% tax rate...hmmmm....

Oh right, and it only applies to the first 112K of income as well.....

Then there are all the state taxes, etc. Turns out the rich pay a lot less as a % of their income then most people realize.
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:54 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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They already do pay more in taxes.
Americans who make $100,000 a year are in a 28% tax bracket. But millionaire and billionaire CEO's (the ones who give our politicians their campaign money) they are in a 11% - 17% tax bracket.

Warren Buffett's Effective Federal Income Tax Rate Was Just 11% - Forbes
Romney paid 14% effective tax rate in 2011 - Sep. 21, 2012


If Middle class Americans are in a 28% tax bracket, and billionaire CEO's are in a 11%-17% tax bracket, how do the rich pay more in taxes?

But the stupid thing is republicans want to give these rich people trillions of dollars of tax cuts (at the same time their tax rates are lower than the middle class.)

Romney's Economic Plan Includes $6.6 Trillion Tax Cut For The Rich And Corporations | ThinkProgress
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:58 PM
 
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Soooo does that include social security? I mean thats a federal tax right? what is it? 6.3% from you, and 6.3% from your employer who would otherwise pay it to you?

Thats a 12.6% tax rate...hmmmm....

Oh right, and it only applies to the first 112K of income as well.....

Then there are all the state taxes, etc. Turns out the rich pay a lot less as a % of their income then most people realize.
If they are making money through income, then they pay the same % if not more than everyone else.
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Old 04-04-2014, 02:01 PM
 
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Americans who make $100,000 a year are in a 28% tax bracket. But millionaire and billionaire CEO's (the ones who give our politicians their campaign money) they are in a 11% - 17% tax bracket.

Warren Buffett's Effective Federal Income Tax Rate Was Just 11% - Forbes
Romney paid 14% effective tax rate in 2011 - Sep. 21, 2012


If Middle class Americans are in a 28% tax bracket, and billionaire CEO's are in a 11%-17% tax bracket, how do the rich pay more in taxes?

But the stupid thing is republicans want to give these rich people trillions of dollars of tax cuts (at the same time their tax rates are lower than the middle class.)

Romney's Economic Plan Includes $6.6 Trillion Tax Cut For The Rich And Corporations | ThinkProgress
How come you on the Left are so, well, dumb? Do you know what capital gains is? Do you know the tax rate for that? Any middle class person making their only money through CG will be at the SAME rate as those you mentioned. If those rich people were ONLY making money through INCOME, they'd pay the same as everyone else making money ONLY through income. Please Lefties, stop trying to argue something you obviously know nothing about.
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