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Old 04-04-2014, 09:21 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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SS benefits are so progressive that even with those adjustments the SS Administration has determined that higher income earners have been LOSING money on SS since the 1990s.
Really? Do you have any proof that the rich are somehow magically exempt from the same state and local taxes that everyone else pays? I sincerely doubt it.

Not only is that chart flat out wrong, it's also 10 years old.

Taxes paid and services/benefits received, local state, and federal, are progressive in the extreme:



Sources of data in chart:
The Distribution of Tax and Spending Policies in the United States

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The bottom 20% is getting 135.5 times the value in government services for their federal taxes paid than is the top 1%.

Furthermore, from the above link...The top 40%, and more specifically the top 1%, are working as tax slaves for a significant portion of each year to fund those who take more from society than they contribute to society.
CEO billionaire (Mr.) Warren Buffet says it all in the video bellow.

Warren Buffets secretary paid a 35.8% tax rate.
Warren Buffet made $62 million dollars and paid a 17.4% tax rate.

Upper middle class American- 35% effective tax rate.
CEO billionaire- 17% effective tax rate.

Please explain again how America's richest 1% are tax slaves, and the rest of us are taking advantage of them.



Warren Buffett, Secretary Debbie Bosanek Discuss Tax Rate Inequality in Interview - YouTube
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Old 04-04-2014, 09:26 PM
 
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Kind of a theoretical question that must be asked in lieu of the Supreme Court's decision earlier this week. If the rich have so much money to give that they needed the high court to allow them to give even more money to political campaigns, they should be able to afford to pay higher taxes, right?
Well the benefit of speech = money is that you can just "influence" your politicians to lower your tax rate quite legally . . .



so they can afford sure?


but why throw money away, when its cheaper (and now legal) to buy politicians


destruction of democracy = supreme court

its time to move to a actual free country
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Old 04-05-2014, 04:30 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Your IRS link above goes to the following, "2011 2010 2009 2008"

I clicked "2011" and a 311 page document came up.


Do you honestly expect me to read a 311 page document?

How about posting a direct link to a source, or saying what page given information is on.
That IS the direct source. It's the IRS data. On spreadsheets, etc.

The summary is posted here:
Latest IRS Federal Income Tax Data
It, too, cites the IRS and includes a link to the spreadsheets, etc.

If you doubt the accuracy of the summary, feel free to start crunching the IRS data yourself.
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Old 04-05-2014, 04:43 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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CEO billionaire (Mr.) Warren Buffet says it all in the video bellow.
That is from 2012, and Warren Buffett lied. The top marginal tax rate in 2011 was below the tax rate he claims his secretary paid. And not all of one's income is even subject to the top marginal tax rate, only that which exceeds $379,151.

2011 Tax Bracket Rates | Bankrate.com

There's more to the lie, as well...
How Rich Is Warren Buffett's Secretary? - The Atlantic
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Old 04-05-2014, 04:59 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Furthermore, Buffett's secretary earns $60,000, which places her in the middle quintile. Acccording to the CBO, her total effective federal tax rate including payroll taxes would have only been about 11.1% or so.
Taxes - Just Facts
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...bles_Final.xls

Care to explain how the supposed 35.8% tax rate came to be?
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Old 04-05-2014, 06:31 AM
 
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Repealing the 17th Amendment is a completely un-American, anti-democratic, and pro-corporatist idea that has no foundation in the principles of freedom and liberty.


You have a misunderstanding of the intent of what we originally had.

The House to represent the People and the Senate to represent the State.

The 17th Amendment was a mistake and took the Senate from being accountable to the State and instead put them in the pocket of special interests.
So actually you are arguing against yourself.
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Old 04-05-2014, 04:26 PM
 
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Do you know it I sold you a loaf of bread and at no point in the production...delivery and marketing of the bread....with NO deductions in the process...you would be lucky to get it for $200?????
And if you took out the government regulation that affect businesses, that loaf would go back down to an affordable price.
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Old 04-05-2014, 04:28 PM
 
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I know billionaire Warren Buffet pays 1/2 the tax rate that his secretary does.



Warren Buffett, Secretary Debbie Bosanek Discuss Tax Rate Inequality in Interview - YouTube
No he does NOT.

They pay the same rate on their capital gains and their income. The difference is that he has more gains versus her income.

There is NO box on anyone's tax return that asks "are you rich".
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Old 04-05-2014, 04:40 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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I'm confused, how can anyone defend the right for the extremely wealthy to openly buy/rent politicians? There is a politicans already who has the audacity to claim that they are already underpaid, but yet some of you are arguing over which party has screwed over the most people considering they are one and the same.

As long as we stand divided over stupid stuff, the do nothing Congress, puppet president, stupid senators and bought off SC will continue to rake us ALL over the coals.
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Old 04-05-2014, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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And yet tax revenues are an all time high.

There goes your theory about low tax rates reduce revenues...
LOL, not familiar with the concept of inflation?
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