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Old 12-11-2014, 05:17 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Just wondering, has torture ever worked?
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Old 12-11-2014, 05:23 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Just wondering, has torture ever worked?
All the time in Hollywood:

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Old 12-11-2014, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Clinton was right, because while he was in WH Iraq had stockpiles of them, and they were destroyed under his watch. Bush lied when he said Iraq still had them in 2001. There were inspectors on the ground and they did not find stockpiles of WMDs.
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"Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance -- not even today -- of the disarmament, which was demanded of it and which it needs to carry out to win the confidence of the world and to live in peace."

Dr. Hans Blix, Chief UN Weapons Inspector
Addressing the UN Security Council
January 27, 2003
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"The nerve agent VX is one of the most toxic ever developed.

13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes."

Dr. Hans Blix, Chief UN Weapons Inspector
Addressing the UN Security Council
January 27, 2003
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"The recent inspection find in the private home of a scientist of a box of some 3,000 pages of documents, much of it relating to the laser enrichment of uranium support a concern that has long existed that documents might be distributed to the homes of private individuals. ...we cannot help but think that the case might not be isolated and that such placements of documents is deliberate to make discovery difficult and to seek to shield documents by placing them in private homes."

Dr. Hans Blix, Chief UN Weapons Inspector
Addressing the UN Security Council
January 27, 2003
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"I have mentioned the issue of anthrax to the Council on previous occasions and I come back to it as it is an important one.

Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of this biological warfare agent, which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.

There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared, and that at least some of this was retained after the declared destruction date. It might still exist. Either it should be found and be destroyed under UNMOVIC supervision or else convincing evidence should be produced to show that it was, indeed, destroyed in 1991."

Dr. Hans Blix, Chief UN Weapons Inspector
Addressing the UN Security Council
January 27, 2003

it appears the weapons inspector said, Iraq was not in compliance


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"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
Statement on US Led Military Strike Against Iraq
December 16, 1990
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"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."

Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
Addressing the US House of Representatives
October 10, 2002
Congressional Record, p. H7777
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"Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There's no question about that."

Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
During an interview on "Meet The Press"
November 17, 2002
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"As a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I firmly believe that the issue of Iraq is not about politics. It's about national security. We know that for at least 20 years, Saddam Hussein has obsessively sought weapons of mass destruction through every means available. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today. He has used them in the past, and he is doing everything he can to build more. Each day he inches closer to his longtime goal of nuclear capability -- a capability that could be less than a year away.

The path of confronting Saddam is full of hazards. But the path of inaction is far more dangerous. This week, a week where we remember the sacrifice of thousands of innocent Americans made on 9-11, the choice could not be starker. Had we known that such attacks were imminent, we surely would have used every means at our disposal to prevent them and take out the plotters. We cannot wait for such a terrible event -- or, if weapons of mass destruction are used, one far worse -- to address the clear and present danger posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq."

Senator John Edwards (Democrat, North Carolina)
US Senate floor statement: "Iraqi Dictator Must Go"
September 12, 2002
hmm the house and senate intell committee democrats certainly were saying they had them....that's the democrats intell


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"We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict."

Senator Harry Reid (Democrat, Nevada)
Addressing the US Senate
October 9, 2002
Congressional Record, p. S10145
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"It is the duty of any president, in the final analysis, to defend this nation and dispel the security threat. Saddam Hussein has brought military action upon himself by refusing for 12 years to comply with the mandates of the United Nations. The brave and capable men and women of our armed forces and those who are with us will quickly, I know, remove him once and for all as a threat to his neighbors, to the world, and to his own people, and I support their doing so."

Senator John Kerry (Democrat, Massachusetts)
Statement on eve of military strikes against Iraq
March 17, 2003
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"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed.

We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."

Senator Edward Kennedy (Democrat, Massachusetts)
Speech at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies
September 27, 2002
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"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.

We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

Al Gore, Former Clinton Vice-President
Speech to San Francisco Commonwealth Club
September 23, 2002


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"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability."

Robert C. Byrd
Former Ku Klux Klan recruiter, currently a US Senator (Democrat, West Virginia)
Addressing the US Senate
October 3, 2002

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"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts."

Congressman Henry Waxman (Democrat, California)
Addressing the US Congress
October 10, 2002

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"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."

State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois)
Speech at Federal Plaza, Chicago, Illinois
October 2, 2002
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Old 12-11-2014, 06:02 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Clinton was right, because while he was in WH Iraq had stockpiles of them, and they were destroyed under his watch.
That was never confirmed. Furthermore, Obama's own current Director of National Intelligence [Clapper] said Iraq moved some of its illicit weapons to Syria right before the Iraq War.
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"The director [Clapper] of a top American spy agency said Tuesday that he believed that material from Iraq's illicit weapons program had been transported into Syria and perhaps other countries as part of an effort by the Iraqis to disperse and destroy evidence immediately before the recent war.

The official, James R. Clapper Jr., a retired lieutenant general, said satellite imagery showing a heavy flow of traffic from Iraq into Syria, just before the American invasion in March, led him to believe that illicit weapons material ''unquestionably'' had been moved out of Iraq."
THE STRUGGLE FOR IRAQ - WEAPONS SEARCH - Iraqis Removed Arms Material, U.S. Aide Says - NYTimes.com

Clapper was speaking in his then capacity as the Director of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.
https://www.nga.mil/Pages/default.aspx

He is currently Obama's Director of National Intelligence.
Director of National Intelligence

And exactly how would Iraq know to move its illicit weapons right before the invasion? Answer: The treasonous stunt Rockefeller pulled that prompted Iraq to move the weapons:
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Rockefeller (D-WV): "I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq, that that was a predetermined set course which had taken shape shortly after 9/11."
Transcript: Sens. Roberts, Rockefeller

Oh, and by the way... Rockefeller voted FOR the Iraq War.
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Bush lied when he said Iraq still had them in 2001.
Bush gave the known intelligence at the time, which came from the Clinton Admin, UNSCOM, and the UK. I've already posted the link to the DoD presentation which includes the citations.

Didn't think you'd be one to fall for lefty brainwashing, but... oh, well.
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Old 12-11-2014, 06:09 AM
 
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it appears the weapons inspector said, Iraq was not in compliance
Exactly.

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hmm the house and senate intell committee democrats certainly were saying they had them....that's the democrats intell
Yes.

It surprises me that city-data members who ordinarily seem somewhat rational still cling to the bogus "Bush lied" meme the left has used to brainwash them. But... oh, well.
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Old 12-11-2014, 06:15 AM
 
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it appears the weapons inspector said, Iraq was not in compliance


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You can post this another thousand times to go along withe hundreds of time it has already been posted, and they STILL will ignore it.
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Old 12-11-2014, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Bush gave the known intelligence at the time, which came from the Clinton Admin, UNSCOM, and the UK. I've already posted the link to the DoD presentation which includes the citations.
Nah, he lied. He even send Powell to the front of the whole world to blow smoke up their asses about WMDs and Al Qaeda. It was all BS, and Hans Blix said so in front of the same audience. It is really not the topic of the thread though.
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Old 12-11-2014, 06:29 AM
 
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Nah, he lied. He even send Powell to the front of the whole world to blow smoke up their asses about WMDs and Al Qaeda. It was all BS, and Hans Blix said so in front of the same audience.
You're wrong. You apparently didn't read the Hans Blix quotes from 2003 in this post:

CIA Torture Report to be released

I'm surprised you were brainwashed to believe otherwise so easily.
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Old 12-11-2014, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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You're wrong. You apparently didn't read the Hans Blix quotes from 2003 in this post:

CIA Torture Report to be released

I'm surprised you were brainwashed to believe otherwise so easily.
I'm surprised all you people don't wake up and realize, both side are corrupt and both sides lie

If that were not true, we wouldn't still have the problem of illegal immigration and all this garbage being bought up again....

It is insane....and how uninformed people really are, pathetic, that we feel the need to support corrupt parties.
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Old 12-11-2014, 06:39 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Just wondering, has torture ever worked?

Don't know about torture, but the enhanced interrogation techniques got a lot of information out of the al qaeda animals.
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