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Should America give in to a National Healthcare system like Germany, Sweden, Thailand, England, or Japan?
Do you think it's time to take profit out of our healthcare system?
We are unique in the profit we allow others to make off people through our healthcare needs. Do you think it will last for the long haul? We go broke from medical bills unlike other people in other countries.
Other countries rely on making their profits from the U.S. in regards to prescription drugs because their countries have limits set on price but we do not. Do you think that's fair for Americans to pick up the slack financially?
Do you feel paying more makes us better or stupid? People in other countries fair as well with health without going into medical bankruptcy, do you think we should still put a price on our health? Or should we adopt the same as others and have limits to how much the medical companies can make off our medical needs?
I realize this is a political leaning discussion but I'd like to know what you think individually, without left or right leaning input. What do you truly think as an individual paying for your healthcare. Do you think what we have now, a for profit system, is working for the people of this country? Or do you think we need to limit the profit that can be made off our health? Do you like the fact that other countries come sell higher here for the same medicine to make their money? Is that ok with you? We are after all a free market.
And lastly, do you feel it sets up a strange dynamic within our country? Do you think having healthcare depend on your ability to make enough money to survive medical incident without going broke make us more distant and group in odd ways socially in our country? From medicare to welfare, do you think it sets us apart in how we communicate equally because money buys our health? Do you think fear is logical in regards to not receiving care or do you like that the poor have a label of welfare recipient? Do you like the divide?
Just wondering how everyone is feeling about this currently now that a few things have changed in regards to our healthcare. Do you think Obamacare will fix things or not? Do you think he did to much or to little?
Thanks On a personal note I am unsure in a direction at this point. I would like a change but I am unsure at what kind of change. I would like a non profit, it seems odd to me to profit from healthcare as a country, especially when other countries take advantage of our for profit medical system.
Profit drives people to create new cures for various diseases. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be compensated for the work and research that people put in to a project. The problem is not with the "system" of profit, but people who become greedy and begin undertaking devious practices to increase profit. People are more often the problem - not the system.
The big reason our healthcare has been so successful is because of the incentive of profit.
If you take profit out of the equation - those doing the service or processing the claims have no incentive to give good service. There is no incentive to do the research for new drugs. Most people need an incentive if they don't enjoy what they are doing - and I can't imagine many people that enjoy sitting at a computer processing claims.
Personally, I think the cost structure of health care is way out of whack. The government's involvement adds overhead to the costs. The way insurance is set up adds overhead to the costs. Raw services are overpriced to me.
The quality of health care will decrease if we continue down this path. Too many regulations. Too little incentives. Many good people will leave the practice.
Even cattle in a herd have access to a vet- Humans should also have that right. What's the big deal? Oh yah- money and profit for a few...Recently my younger brother when to get a bridge replaced...He had broken his front teeth as a child..a few visits and the bill was $4600.00...What the hell is that all about? Health should not be a business...nor do all doctors and dentist need to be millionaires. The American private insurance companies are greedy parasites who prey on the most vulnerable.
We have socialized medicine in Canada as you all know...Recently an Asian doctor in China Town Toronto got in to a bit of trouble. Welfare folks were going to him to have a form filled out for "special diet" allowance..that would be an extra 250 bucks added to their check. This doctor filled out 35 thousand forms at 30 bucks a crack...billing the government for 3 million dollars..This is socialized medicine - there is no such thing...Greed and capitalism will always break through...so don't worry- YOUR American doctors and drug companies will stay rich- trust me.
You have not choice. The middle class in part is being destroyed when a widow gets cancer...has to sell her house to get treatments...the money goes to a few greedy professionals - and there is no inheritance left for the widows only son...who will NEVER be able to buy a house or own any property because his money was stolen or coerced away through the desperate submission of his sick mother - to a cruel and corrupt health care system...You need to service the people...not just some of the people.
While I am ranting...don't exclude dentistry from your plan...The disfigurement of the poor through bad teeth puts them at a permanent social and monetary disadvantage. In CANADA dentists are the domain of the rich.
38 years of socialist health care system (and education) behind the belt. Even my wife does not agree with me, but I say - it was very good system. Yes, we tipped doctors, but even the preventive care aspect, that is completely missing here in the USA, was a huge positive difference.
Profit may be driving something. Also, what it does, it brings into healthcare people, that do not care about care, but care about profit. This is coming from a practice manager and practitioner with almost 20 years practice in the USA.
It is completely not true, that if you remove profit aspect, there will be no one willing to work in HC. No, only those that have true vocation to work there will. Just like you have missionaries.
What should be done, is doctors should be FAIRLY REIMBURSED by the nation for their work, and that should be directly relevant to their results. Same should be for teachers and engineers, as those three drive the nations - ones keep nation alive, others keep it educated, and the last keep progress going.
The very moment you introduce "incentives" of any kind, that opens Pandora's box of greed, leading to what we have as health care.
Be well.
PS. Any nation is only as good, as it takes care of its people. This nation is owned by traders, that care only about gain. Nuff said. Before you chastise me, pull a dollar bill out of your wallet and read who owns it. Then, find out, who owns those who own it.
38 years of socialist health care system (and education) behind the belt. Even my wife does not agree with me, but I say - it was very good system. Yes, we tipped doctors, but even the preventive care aspect, that is completely missing here in the USA, was a huge positive difference.
Profit may be driving something. Also, what it does, it brings into healthcare people, that do not care about care, but care about profit. This is coming from a practice manager and practitioner with almost 20 years practice in the USA.
It is completely not true, that if you remove profit aspect, there will be no one willing to work in HC. No, only those that have true vocation to work there will. Just like you have missionaries.
What should be done, is doctors should be FAIRLY REIMBURSED by the nation for their work, and that should be directly relevant to their results. Same should be for teachers and engineers, as those three drive the nations - ones keep nation alive, others keep it educated, and the last keep progress going.
The very moment you introduce "incentives" of any kind, that opens Pandora's box of greed, leading to what we have as health care.
Be well.
PS. Any nation is only as good, as it takes care of its people. This nation is owned by traders, that care only about gain. Nuff said. Before you chastise me, pull a dollar bill out of your wallet and read who owns it. Then, find out, who owns those who own it.
1) Should America give in to a National Healthcare system
2) like Germany, Sweden, Thailand, England, or Japan?
You asked two different questions there.
The first Q, should America have a National Healthcare system, is an emphatic yes.
It should have happened by the 30's.
The second Q, whether that system should be like X or Y or Z, is far more complicated.
But ultimately, as it is self evident we need a national system, it's just distracting to fuss
and argue over whether that should reflect those other models or other particulars that
might work well in much smaller and more cohesive societies than we have...
If anything, those other countries would have been far more likely to have developed
national healthcare systems modeled after our own. If we had done so.
No, you don't need to go there. Having free treatment is not as good as it seems, there is no incentive to encourage people to look after themselves. Many people will let themselves get ill, because they expect free treatment, and think that treatment is the answer to all their ills.
Plus, you will get a whole load of health tourists. Do you want to give them access to your wallet, that's what you would be doing, through taxes.
Health should not be a business...nor do all doctors and dentist need to be millionaires.
Millionaires? I know plenty of doctors, and they are most certainly not millionaires. With their medical school debt, malpractice insurance, limited reimbursement from Medicaid, Medicare, and private insurance, many doctors are struggling just to keep their practices afloat. That's why so many have sold out to large physician networks or now practice as part of a hospital. And I don't know any doctor who genuinely wanted to give up their independent practice, but it was a financial necessity.
I actually discouraged my kids from going into medicine because it's just not worth the expense and stress.
Nobody should ever have to die simply because they can't afford health care.
How can we ensure that everybody gets the care they need without becoming a communist country?
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On a personal note I am unsure in a direction at this point. I would like a change but I am unsure at what kind of change. I would like a non profit, it seems odd to me to profit from healthcare as a country, especially when other countries take advantage of our for profit medical system.
