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If I had the time to go through the posters here attackign Bundy for using "public" ground, I wonder how many of them supported the occupy Wall Street movement who did the exact same thing..
So it took BLM 20 years to realize it was much of importance and they needed to send in 200 federal armed agents to do it? Who is being unreasonable here?
It wasn't the federal government that kept the case in the courts for 20 years filing appeals.
It wasn't the federal government that kept the case in the courts for 20 years filing appeals.
BLM is who is owed money correct? You said payments have stopped. They went to court many times. When one fails to comply a warrant is put out for their arrest. They could of arrested him and charged him. Then they could of peacefully had skilled people get all his cattle.
You "statistics brain" does not have a source for those numbers. Also it doesn't define "welfare." Over 70% of black people are not considered to be in poverty, which is a majority.
Now, FYI, Social Security is many times included in "welfare" statistics and on SS you can make money and still receive benefits. Black people, though we pay into it our entire lives are only 10% of SS recipients. SS along with Medicare are the largest social welfare programs in our country and black people are underrepresented in both of those bloated programs. An elderly white person's trip to the hospital for a minor surgery cost tax payers more than an entire year of cash assistance via TANF paid to a black family.
Blacks only make up 14 percent of the population so that would make sense.
I personally do not consider either Social Security or Medicare welfare programs, even though they are referred to as entitlement programs.
I do consider Medicaid and CHIP to be welfare programs though.
You do realize blacks are a minority population so obviously their total numbers in anything will be lower but it does not negate the fact that proportionately blacks utilize more welfare social programs than their white counterparts. That's just the way it is.
I apologize for not going into detail. Just a factoid if you will.
But here's a better breakdown;
"About a third of all Americans (32%) have benefited from two or more entitlement programs over the course of their lives: 17% have been helped by two programs and 15% have received assistance from three or more.
In general, the characteristics of those who have received entitlements from multiple sources echo the overall demographic pattern described earlier: more likely to be black, female, have a lower income, identify with the Democratic Party or live in a rural area.
A plurality of blacks (44%), but 33% of whites and 23% of Latinos, received entitlements from two or more of the six programs tested in the survey. About a quarter of all blacks (27%) received entitlements from three or more programs; in contrast, 14% of whites and 11% of Hispanics received help from as many government sources. As a group, Hispanics experience similar levels of economic hardship as blacks. Their lower utilization of entitlement benefits stems in part from their relative youth and in part from the fact that some are in the country illegally and thus unable to receive benefits."
BLM is who is owed money correct? You said payments have stopped. They went to court many times. When one fails to comply a warrant is put out for their arrest. They could of arrested him and charged him. Then they could of peacefully had skilled people get all his cattle.
There was no reason to arrest him...we have no debtor's prisons.
No one knows or cares what Bundy's political views are, this is about him and his dispute with the feds and state over the land, and the federal government's gross over the top response to unpaid grazing fees.
His political views were all this thing was about. What the heck are you talking about?
The whole idea that the federal government doesn't exist so he doesn't have to pay grazing fees is a political viewpoint.
Any why Cliven Bundy is a registered conservative. It is not surprising that he believes what he believes about black people because that kind of thinking is extremely common amongst conservatives.
Mr. Bundy just has the misfortune of being inarticulate. If he would have used the correct words, conservatives would be defending his racist viewpoint right now.
Again conservatives in 2014 discuss all the time how black people are on a plantation.
Again conservatives in 2014 discuss all the time how government money has ruined and enslaved black people.
Again conservatives in 2014 discuss all the time how black people were better off in some past time of rampant racism and racial violence because they had intact families, this despite the fact that the enslaved couldn't marry and their family members were often sold to other slave owners, and despite the fact that black people pre civil rights act of 1964 and sometime after that suffered under a terrorist regime known as Jim Crow.
If only Cliven would had said those things he would have been golden.
Of course, CNN doctored the video of Bundy, apparently trying to show him as a racist when he wasn't. And it's working. Even conservatives who have seen only CNN's version, are blasting the guy. And if I had seen only what CNN carefully showed, I'd be blasting him too.
But in the full video, Bundy talks for several minutes about how black people were hard workers, decent people with strong families, etc. Even back in the slave days, when they were making useful contributions despite the horrible oppression they were enduring ("picking cotton"), they showed fine qualities and had nothing to be ashamed of. Bundy said the same was true for Mexican people, too.
But today, when the government is giving them tons of free stuff in the guise of "helping" them, Bundy said you can find black people sitting around doing nothing, winding up in jail, etc. - a major contrast to when they had to fight for their own interests under dreadful conditions and displayed stellar character.
CNN cut off the first part and showed only the second, in an apparent attempt to pretend Cliven Bundy was a racist when he clearly wasn't. The hoax has since been revealed, but the liberals, true to form, keep forwarding the lie as hard and fast as they can. The truth doesn't suit their agenda, so they shun it.
See the real, original video here, along with CNN's carefully doctored version:
He still comes off as a complete racist in the full version. Christ on a bike, he didn't even make it 30 seconds before he called them colored people.
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