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Old 04-29-2014, 02:01 PM
 
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Every time someone wants to point out Detroit and how it is a city of failed "liberal" policies I will point to cities like Boston, Minneapolis, or Denver.

How about the demographic differences? Did Boston, Minneapolis, or Denver for that matter, have massive race riots in 1967 and 1968? History says no. White flight grossly accelerated after the riots--with out safety, why choose to stay?

Liberals are responsible for so many bad things in our society, but they get a free pass. Disgusting.
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Old 04-29-2014, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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Detroit Declined because Germans, Korea and Japanese made better cars and no one was ready for that
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Old 04-29-2014, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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How about the demographic differences? Did Boston, Minneapolis, or Denver for that matter, have massive race riots in 1967 and 1968? History says no. White flight grossly accelerated after the riots--with out safety, why choose to stay?

Liberals are responsible for so many bad things in our society, but they get a free pass. Disgusting.
Blacks in Detroit didn't run away when whites riot
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Old 04-29-2014, 02:05 PM
 
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Detroit is what happens when everything that can go wrong goes wrong. It is indeed a liberal failure. It shows the worse possible outcome of poorly implemented liberal policies,corruption, and two-way racism.

However, It should be compared to liberal successes as well. I believe that is the main thing missing from the argument. Many conservatives want to point to the failures of Detroit and say look what liberal policies can do. They often fail to mention the liberal successes in the same conversation.

What is missing from the conversation is Liberals admitting they screwed up so badly, and greatly HARMED the American Black Family! Making Black Dad's redundant with generous welfare, WIC, etc. has made them clients of the system. Why work when the gov will give you what you need? Why be a responsible Dad with many family responsibilites on the plate when you can have sex, not be responsible for providing and raising the children, and do as you damn well please? LIBERALS did this to them---but they get a free pass.
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Old 04-29-2014, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Race_Riot_(1943)
"Stores were looted and buildings were burned in the riot, most of them in a black neighborhood in and around Paradise Valley, Detroit, one of the oldest and poorest neighborhoods in Detroit."
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Old 04-29-2014, 02:10 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Detroit is a CORRUPTION AND FREE-MARKET FAILURE.

Neo-cons like to point to the fact that UNIONS (who donate heavily democrat) brought Detroit down...

Yet they often ignore the fact that

A) Detroit did not have a diverse industry
B) There are many abandoned ghost towns in the United States, many of which are in conservative rural areas.



Also, the concept of Unions does not bring failure by itself, just as the concept of Corporations does not bring failure by itself. Just look at the competitiveness of German and Japanese Unions compared to the ones which brought the fall of Detroit.

In my opinion Unions and Corporate Boards are all types of "worker organization", and both are free market concept.

Furthermore the free market is a Liberal (in the sense that it was the liberals who wanted to get away from the crown) - Conservative (In the sense that it is now the conservatives who want to protect it from oppression) collaboration that should be defended with a combined effort from the authoritarians.


Yes Michigan is a democrat state that isn't doing well...

...But neither is West Virginia.


What I am saying is...

Screw the concepts of things like fiscal conservatism and social liberalism...


...And EMBRACE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND SOCIAL FREEDOM!
I live in West Virginia. Actually, as of right now, this IS a Democrat state and has been a Democrat state on the state level for generations. Despite media perceptions this is a liberal state where there is no death penalty, no constitutionl ban on gay marriage, where late term abortion is legal, and where the minimum wage is higher than the national average. Thankfully the Republicans are gaining here.

The Democrats war on coal is what caused the economic issues here.
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Old 04-29-2014, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Montgomery Village
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What is missing from the conversation is Liberals admitting they screwed up so badly, and greatly HARMED the American Black Family! Making Black Dad's redundant with generous welfare, WIC, etc. has made them clients of the system. Why work when the gov will give you what you need? Why be a responsible Dad with many family responsibilites on the plate when you can have sex, not be responsible for providing and raising the children, and do as you damn well please? LIBERALS did this to them---but they get a free pass.


Jesus.
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Old 04-29-2014, 02:23 PM
 
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The economic decline of Detroit caused the Debt, not the other way around.
Debt is created by spending more than you have, the city declined should have caused them to cut spending and deal with it by increasing revenues.

They didnt..

They believed the same dam thing liberals all over this forum post non stop, that if we just increase tax rates, then everything will be better..
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Old 04-29-2014, 02:26 PM
 
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Debt is created by spending more than you have, the city declined should have caused them to cut spending and deal with it by increasing revenues.

They didnt..

They believed the same dam thing liberals all over this forum post non stop, that if we just increase tax rates, then everything will be better..
Yep......we don't have any.....so we will take theirs.
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Old 04-29-2014, 02:59 PM
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Location: Phoenix,AZ
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For the most part, people who suggest that Detroit is a "liberal failure" are using the term as racial code language.

As to why Detroit is in the economic and social condition it is, it's fairly simple. The economy was tied almost exclusively to one industry. When companies within that industry began abandoning the city, they took middle class lifestyles with them. The people who could afford to leave, did. The rest live in a city where the tax-base has been demolished. The loss of jobs, lead to the loss of services--a vicious cycle which always occurs when corporate greed trumps human morality.

Nope.

The middle class started leaving long before the assembly plants did.

BTW, GM is the only auto company with HQ in Detroit; Ford has NEVER been in Detroit, and Chrysler....well...half of it is from Wisconsin anyway....
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