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[quote=momonkey;34776322][quote=momonkey;34775056]"If climate change turns out to be wrong, and we (as a society) had to endure some extra economic hardship isn't that worth it if climate change turns out to be a very real with disastrous consequences?"
Always a good idea to proof read what you wrote.
[quote=HyperionGap;34775374]I should not have included the "a". I'm sorry, typos happen.
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So first you go on yammering about the Zimmerman one and now you're going off on the Anderegg one? Can't figure it out or what.
I can't figure it out?
What if we endure economic hardship and it makes no difference?
I honestly don't understand why. If climate change turns out to be wrong, and we (as a society) had to endure some extra economic hardship isn't that worth it if climate change turns out to be a very real with disastrous consequences?
I mean the only reason why I can imagine it is because the congressmen are simply bought by the Oil & Gas industry and honestly just don't care about what the evidence has to say.
I doubt you realize it but you've just invoked Pascal's Wager in support of your climate change position.
It's amazing how many times I see this come up in these debates. Yet further proof that it has become essentially a religion with you folks.
I'm not a "wingnut" or a conservative and I'm not "rabidly against climate change, I'm a skeptic. But I'll take a stab at my reasons why…
1. I believe and there has been ample evidence that modern science has been corrupted by politics, activism, dogma and greed. The notion that blind, impartial SCIENCE is being conducted and that a scientist has the same opportunity to conduct experiments that might disprove AGW seems very remote.
With that said, I also concede that big oil and big business also seek to diminish any science that might hurt their profits. Either way, I think both sides have an agenda and the truth lies somewhere in the middle but we will likely never know it unless we commit to conducting actual SCIENCE that is not influenced by POLITICS on either side of the aisle. And I don't see that happening anytime soon.
2. The fearmongering, alarmism and attacks against anyone who is skeptical or disagrees raises red flags to me and makes this seem more like a religion or a cult rather than a sober scientific assessment. Science should ENCOURAGE questions and debate. Questions and debate are HEALTHY to science. Consensus, dogma and silencing debate have nothing to do with science.
3. Climate science is basically in it's infancy. I think many of the climate scientists themselves would admit that. Many of the early predictions that we have now lived long enough to validate have failed to materialize, hence, they keep moving the goalposts.
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I'm not a "wingnut" or a conservative and I'm not "rabidly against climate change, I'm a skeptic. But I'll take a stab at my reasons why…
1. I believe and there has been ample evidence that modern science has been corrupted by politics, activism, dogma and greed. The notion that blind, impartial SCIENCE is being conducted and that a scientist has the same opportunity to conduct experiments that might disprove AGW seems very remote.
With that said, I also concede that big oil and big business also seek to diminish any science that might hurt their profits. Either way, I think both sides have an agenda and the truth lies somewhere in the middle but we will likely never know it unless we commit to conducting actual SCIENCE that is not influenced by POLITICS on either side of the aisle. And I don't see that happening anytime soon.
2. The fearmongering, alarmism and attacks against anyone who is skeptical or disagrees raises red flags to me and makes this seem more like a religion or a cult rather than a sober scientific assessment. Science should ENCOURAGE questions and debate. Questions and debate are HEALTHY to science. Consensus, dogma and silencing debate have nothing to do with science.
3. Climate science is basically in it's infancy. I think many of the climate scientists themselves would admit that. Many of the early predictions that we have now lived long enough to validate have failed to materialize, hence, they keep moving the goalposts.
As you have suggested to me you should "Go knock yourself out and read em", the 97% does not include the total amount of scientists that took the survey.
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Of these specialists, 96.2% (76 of 79) answered “risen” to question 1 and 97.4% (75 of 77) answered yes to question 2.
That however is not really the big issue with this survey, setting aside the technical issue it's fairly simple questionnaire with 2 questions. The second question asks this:
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2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?
This is one of those poll questions carefully worded to elicit a given response. That's why there is 2 more responses for the first question, as I understand it they refused to answer the second because of the way it was worded.
What is the quantification of "significant"? If man has been able to change global mean temperatures at all even if it were an inconsequential amount that could be considered significant.
Because when they decided that there wasn't anything else to worship, they began worshipping themselves and seeing themselves as infallible.
well the rich certainly do, they have taken over this country and keeping people in fear, isn't an answer, poop happens, and sometimes there is nothing we can do about it.
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