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When she was Senator Clinton, she, Biden and a few others (?Kerry) voted yes in the War Resolution in Congress to invade Iraq under Bush.
Now, at that time I was dumbfounded that she would do that. I opposed the invasion because I knew that Bush and Cheney and Rice and all of that crowd were either lying or stupider than I already thought they were. When Colin Powell argued in front of the U.N. Security Council for permission to invade, they voted no. I sat up at 1 AM to listen to him live on the radio and just KNEW he didn't believe it himself and thought he was being a loyal, good soldier and I was beyond disgust.
So, here we are now with Democrats giving Hillary a pass and supporting her as a candidate for President. I suppose that they figure she has the best chance to beat a Republican and so I do understand that, but it makes me very angry that she is being given a pass on one of the most terrible votes a senator could have ever made. It is positively inexcusable.
There will be readers here who will say they supported the invasion but I am so sorry to say that I have very little sympathy for them for having "not known" and now regretting their support. If anyone had a basic comprehension of the way the Bush administration operated they would not have supported this invasion. And to think that our Hillary, a Democrat, didn't know any better. Wasn't she in a far better position than we average people were, being so up close to the players in the White House and Congress to have a clue? I find it absolutely abominable that she didn't "know" that the reasons to invade were a sham. Didn't she appreciate the expertise of Hans Blix? Full text: Hans Blix's briefing to the UN security council | World news | theguardian.com If you don't even know who he is, you are really not even qualified to enter this discussion. I mean it. Do some reading so you can speak with an understanding of who he was. Why invading Iraq was a terrible mistake - CNN.com
I have no respect for General Colin Powell. A disgrace, what he did.
So, back to Hillary. Here we to the left are supposed to support her. I am not a happy camper. But I don't know who else will be nominated other than her and so I MUST support her, most reluctantly. I certainly would never support a Republican. [MOD CUT/off topic]
I think your definition is wrong, I think an effort is truly bipartisan if it had full support from both parties.
Majority of the democrats HAVE NOT supported War in Iraq hence it wasn't a bipartisan effort.
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Originally Posted by shooting4life
You really need to look at how bipartisan is used in this country. When ever you get a yes from both parties for something, even if it is just 1 member it is described as receiving bipartisan support.
You might have a different definition, but it is wrong.
(last sentence ) since Barack HUSSEIN Obama became president, our country has been laughed at a lot.
I would think you would be used to it by now.
Were you around during the Iraq War? There thousands and thousands of people marching in the streets of Europe to protest George Bush. He destroyed our reputation abroad and it only recovered when Obama was elected.
When she was Senator Clinton, she, Biden and a few others (?Kerry) voted yes in the War Resolution in Congress to invade Iraq under Bush.
Now, at that time I was dumbfounded that she would do that. I opposed the invasion because I knew that Bush and Cheney and Rice and all of that crowd were either lying or stupider than I already thought they were. When Colin Powell argued in front of the U.N. Security Council for permission to invade, they voted no. I sat up at 1 AM to listen to him live on the radio and just KNEW he didn't believe it himself and thought he was being a loyal, good soldier and I was beyond disgust.
So, here we are now with Democrats giving Hillary a pass and supporting her as a candidate for President. I suppose that they figure she has the best chance to beat a Republican and so I do understand that, but it makes me very angry that she is being given a pass on one of the most terrible votes a senator could have ever made. It is positively inexcusable.
There will be readers here who will say they supported the invasion but I am so sorry to say that I have very little sympathy for them for having "not known" and now regretting their support. If anyone had a basic comprehension of the way the Bush administration operated they would not have supported this invasion. And to think that our Hillary, a Democrat, didn't know any better. Wasn't she in a far better position than we average people were, being so up close to the players in the White House and Congress to have a clue? I find it absolutely abominable that she didn't "know" that the reasons to invade were a sham. Didn't she appreciate the expertise of Hans Blix? Full text: Hans Blix's briefing to the UN security council | World news | theguardian.com If you don't even know who he is, you are really not even qualified to enter this discussion. I mean it. Do some reading so you can speak with an understanding of who he was. Why invading Iraq was a terrible mistake - CNN.com
I have no respect for General Colin Powell. A disgrace, what he did.
So, back to Hillary. Here we to the left are supposed to support her. I am not a happy camper. But I don't know who else will be nominated other than her and so I MUST support her, most reluctantly. I certainly would never support a Republican. [MOD CUT/off topic]
Martha Ann, what prompted your post at this time? After all, we had about 11 years of non stop debates about Iraq's invasion and probably everything that could, was already said.
Here is something you are missing: The initial invasion (and toppling Saddam) was one thing, but the decision to stay for a decade and engage in country building was another. Nobody voted for that in 2003 and actually even Bush's administration itself was planning for a short campaign, maybe a year (Rumsfeld, Chaney etc). The decisions to dissolve Iraq's army, police and the public service sector, followed later. Nobody in congress voted for those.
Bottom line: with better understanding on the part of US, the Iraq war could have been a long forgotten episode.
Same with Afghanistan: we are still there, but today, nobody even remembers why.
The link to your post works, but the link to the article that backs up your post does not. It take you to the home page, not to the article itself.
And the title of your link is
When you add the qualifier "knowingly" , it usually means, they lied, just not on purpose. Did you not read your own link? ( again it doesnt work for me, so all i can go by is the title) or are you saying it was just horribly titled ????
"Lie" means to intentionally, i.e. knowingly, make a false statement. No such thing as a lie 'just not on purpose.' Consult your dictionary.
I'm sorry the TNT link is no longer good. I didn't realize that they dropped it after x months. Here's another link to the same op-ed by the Yale prof for you that should work.
It's never hypocritical to vote for the least worse candidate. What, you want us to vote for a Republican? I guarantee you, that is worse.
Provided you don't mind electing a war-monger as President feel free to nominate and vote for whom you want. But some of us do wonder why Hillary the war-monger gets a pass and Joe Lieberman didn't. Same as Joe Biden, John Edwards, John Kerry, ect.
Martha Ann, what prompted your post at this time? After all, we had about 11 years of non stop debates about Iraq's invasion and probably everything that could, was already said.
Here is something you are missing: The initial invasion (and toppling Saddam) was one thing, but the decision to stay for a decade and engage in country building was another. Nobody voted for that in 2003 and actually even Bush's administration itself was planning for a short campaign, maybe a year (Rumsfeld, Chaney etc). The decisions to dissolve Iraq's army, police and the public service sector, followed later. Nobody in congress voted for those.
Bottom line: with better understanding on the part of US, the Iraq war could have been a long forgotten episode.
Same with Afghanistan: we are still there, but today, nobody even remembers why.
Good question. Frankly, I never pay attention to Hillary, but someone I know who is a Dem has been posting regular campaign-like pieces about her, with photos, etc. It's like Hillary is already running. So, I wrote to my friend and tried to say why Hillary is not so wonderful and decided to post here to see what the reaction might be. But my post is relevant because I feel that she is THE front runner for the nomination.
I disagree with you totally that no one remembers why we got into Afghanistan. I am over 60 and I certainly do and opposed it from the very start. Re: your point that no one in Congress voted to engage in "country building" as you put it in Iraq after the invasion: Well, certainly many in Congress had not the brains to think ahead but many citizens did! We knew what was going to happen. We knew it was idiocy for the U.S. "leaders" to talk about a short term involvement. They are pure idiots, but we knew that when Bush was running for office. I simply cannot believe the decision making capacity of the voters who put him in office. Beyond the beyond.
Provided you don't mind electing a war-monger as President feel free to nominate and vote for whom you want. But some of us do wonder why Hillary the war-monger gets a pass and Joe Lieberman didn't. Same as Joe Biden, John Edwards, John Kerry, ect.
Correction: A possibly LESS trigger happy war monger than a Republican. That's all.
And even if you believe the "bad intelligence" canard, there was still never any intelligence that Iraq was involved in 9/11.
Canard is right.
It wasn't bad intelligence...That can be excused.
It was MANUFACTURED intelligence...and that can't be excused.
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