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View Poll Results: If it were scientifically proven that homosexuality is not a choice, would you still support gay mar
Yes 113 81.29%
No 26 18.71%
Voters: 139. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-17-2014, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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No. Anyone who voted yes must logically support polygamy.
You must've skipped over my post.
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:16 PM
 
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You must've skipped over my post.
Yes and a man can marry a dog but it's up to the government to recognize it. Why do gays need the government to recognize their marriage? What's so special about them that their marriages should be recognized but not polygamous ones?
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Yes and a man can marry a dog but it's up to the government to recognize it. Why do gays need the government to recognize their marriage? What's so special about them that their marriages should be recognized but not polygamous ones?
There's an easy litmus test.

Is the partner able to give legal consent?

No?

Then they shouldn't be able to be legally wed.

Animals and children cannot give legal consent. Therefore the government cannot legally recognize those unions.

However, any and all combinations of consenting individuals should receive government recognition.

I'm unsure of how I can make it clearer.
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:23 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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Instead of fighting to add same sex marriage to the list of things the .gov will allow, why not fight to get government out of marriage completely? Then anyone could marry anyone.
How many straight people are out there fighting to get government out of marriage? How many straight married couples are there that are willing to give up those 1049 plus or minus federal rights, protections and benefits? Are you one of those? It is always when it comes to same sex marriage, that straights say they want government out of marriage.
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:27 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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That can already happen. Anyone can be wed by a person, but the government is what confers the rights.

Which, the government will never let go of. So again, useless argument. The only way forward is equal recognition. For every combination of consenting adults.

@the topic:

Yes, I would support homosexual marriage even if it was proven a choice. Choice, born, irrelevant. Anyone should be able to be married to be anyone they want, the only qualifiers being "consenting" and "adult".
What many of those that say gays choose to be gay forget is that if gays choose to be gay, then likewise, straights choose to be straight. I know that I did not choose my sexual orientation or to who I am attracted to.
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:28 PM
 
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There's an easy litmus test.

Is the partner able to give legal consent?

No?

Then they shouldn't be able to be legally wed.

Animals and children cannot give legal consent. Therefore the government cannot legally recognize those unions.

However, any and all combinations of consenting individuals should receive government recognition.

I'm unsure of how I can make it clearer.
Yes, you're right actually.
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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Would those who support "marriage equality" back away from their position?

I'm speaking hypothetically. If you're going to respond with "the vast majority of scientists say people ARE born gay and sexual orientation is not a choice," no need to respond. I already know.

If you would still support gay marriage despite a scientific revelation, what are your reasons?
Of course.

After all, in this alter-reality heterosexuality would presumably also be a choice. And I'd still support allowing opposite-sex marriage.

[not that either matters - I'm just not a big-government marital control-freak]
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:53 PM
 
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If homosexuality is a choice, as some claim, isn't it possible that many have been choosing it because they didn't want to be married?
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:58 PM
 
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The acts of homosexuality are a choice. Who they are, is not. I use to think differently. Seriously, you can look at some of them and just tell. Many, have the look. Unfortunately, its who they are and they cant help it. It doesnt change how I think its odd and disgusting but it is what it is. I wish theyd just find out what causes it. Im sure there is a gay gene or some miswire somewhere. But thats up to scientists to find out.
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Old 05-17-2014, 08:56 PM
 
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The acts of homosexuality are a choice. Who they are, is not. I use to think differently. Seriously, you can look at some of them and just tell. Many, have the look. Unfortunately, its who they are and they cant help it. It doesnt change how I think its odd and disgusting but it is what it is. I wish theyd just find out what causes it. Im sure there is a gay gene or some miswire somewhere. But thats up to scientists to find out.


Why? What does it matter. And it's only odd and disgusting to people that don't understand and feel it affects them somehow. But gay couples are really no different than anyone else.
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