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Old 06-04-2014, 02:10 PM
 
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They were a far right military dictatorship who called themselves nationalist socialist party who considered communism the biggest threat to the world. They were all over the place. It cracks me up when people try to associate them with todays right or left. They were both, and neither.
On the Pournelle 2-axis matrix, facists are "irrational totalitarians."
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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Not really, the executive branch is far too powerful now and states rights have been all but destroyed.
But Obama couldn't get unemployment benefits extended or gun control and is blocked often by Congress.

It does seem to me that states are getting things passed, whether right or left (Texas, California). That's an interesting point, the states. Local control. The Seattle minimum wage, etc.
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:25 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I don't see how the Executive Branch is more powerful than a Legislative branch united against the president. The president only has power where the Congress is divided...and if the Congress is divided, that means "the people" as whole don't strongly care enough on one side or the other about the issues to block the president across the board.

But will you see any president simply refuse to allocate to, say, the military pay allocated by Congress regardless of his feelings about the military? No, because both parties in both houses would oppose that particular action.

The President only has unilateral power where the Houses are divided. And that is intended.
The president doesn't have unilateral power when congress is divided. And the executive branch and legislative branch have teamed up to weaken the courts.

Just look at this one example of Obama choosing which laws that were passed by congress and signed by previous presidents to not enforce. This is pretty much giving the President veto power over ever price of signed legislation ever passed. It is a huge power grab by the president. Or his DOJ cracking down on business they don't like, or using the IRS to punish political enemies.

The executive branch is much too powerful.
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:42 PM
 
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Liberals are not addressing any of the issues, they just feed the same system. College for everyone, get your liberal arts degree, can't find job because getting a degree in liberal arts is near worthless, get job at Starbucks, complain about income inequality, become a democrat, try and take from those who got an education in STEM or started a small business and are successful, continue cycle.
I missed there being anything different out of the Republican Party. No Child Left Behind was a Republican initiative that actually penalizes schools that have robust vocational curriculae.
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:48 PM
 
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Majority of the American are simply left wing socialists or communists.
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Austin
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The strong majority of Americans:

*support gay marriage
*support legalized marijuana
*support stricter environmental regulations, even if it costs them extra on their monthly utility bills
*support pushing for alternative energy
*support the individual provisions of the ACA
*support background checks for gun purchases

So, no I wouldn't say that they are right wing ...
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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It SEEMS that way to me, given that no socialists or liberal Democrats or any leftists for that matter have been elected to the presidency that I can think of
Unless, of course, you count Barack Obama, our first Marxist/Leninist president. Claims that he is center right are hilarious. Slightly to the right of Leon Trotsky and Mao Tse-Tung perhaps, but after that??
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Unless, of course, you count Barack Obama, our first Marxist/Leninist president. Claims that he is center right are hilarious. Slightly to the right of Leon Trotsky and Mao Tse-Tung perhaps, but after that??
You sound like a bloody idiot. He is surrounded by big money/big corporate guys, the "Obamacare" you teabaggers cry about was developed BY the right wing, and is tailored to the big insurance companies and continuing our broken system ... he is certainly better than Mittles, or anything to come out of the joke that is the Teaparty, but he is as far from a socialist as was George Bush.
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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It SEEMS that way to me, given that no socialists or liberal Democrats or any leftists for that matter have been elected to the presidency that I can think of

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Oh my God, coffee just shot through my nose!
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:39 PM
 
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American is essentially a conservative nation defending some rather liberal political principles.

That being said, if the current administration continues its buffoonery, it's going to get very right-wing come November.
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