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Old 06-14-2014, 03:25 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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So what? That has nothing to do with what is happening today.


Wasn't CO2 lower 125K years ago when temperature were warmer?
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Old 06-14-2014, 03:27 AM
 
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You cannot be serious...Do you actually think that the condtions that existed then would have no effect on today's civilization? I am not saying that humans will be wiped out by entirely by a hotter world, but even you have to admit that there would be tremendous costs economically and in lives lost. We can't even provide enough food for the people alive today.... Today about 21,000 people die every day of hunger or hunger-related causes. How many would that be when the food supply shrinks because of global warming?

The idea that humans nearly became extinct 75,000 ago because of a super-volcano eruption is not supported by new data from Africa, scientists say. BBC News - Toba super-volcano catastrophe idea 'dismissed'

How many humans do you think existed then? I'll wager that it was less than a million....You deniers do not take population growth into account when you use the past to support your views do you?

Why would increased CO2 cause less food to be produced?
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Old 06-14-2014, 03:33 AM
 
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None of these things will matter if global warming in not addressed soon.
it's not being "addressed?" could have fooled me.
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Old 06-14-2014, 03:36 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Of the 2,258 peer-reviewed papers that have been published on the subject of climate change between November 2012 and December 2013, representing the positions of 9,136 authors, exactly one of those, written by a single Russian scientist, rejected the idea that climate change is caused by human activity. But none of this has stopped or even slowed down the professional skeptics. In fact the Heartland Institute just announced the 9th International Conference on Climate Change at the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. The event is being billed as an “International Gathering of Scientists Skeptical of Man-Caused Global Warming.â€

Previous versions of this conference have been heavily funded by ExxonMobil, the Koch Brothers and the conservative Scaife Foundation, receiving as much as $67 million from these groups. This year’s event is likely to be little different. Which, of course gets us to the point of circle-jerk events like this one. It’s big oil behind the scenes, keeping that steady drumbeat of doubt going. Doubt and inaction go hand in hand.

Nick Cohen at the Guardian claims that the deniers have already won. Perhaps the fact that we are even having this conversation in 2014 supports his assertion. Of course, the part that they won’t figure out until it’s too late is that if they win, we all lose. The fact that by doing all they can to suppress effective action on greenhouse gas emissions means, of course, that they are gambling with the future of the planet, in hopes that the one guy out of 9,136 was right. What better place to do that than Las Vegas?
Undeterred By Facts, Climate Deniers Will Carry the Torch to Las Vegas

climate change deniers?

lets take all the politics out of global warming, and say it for what it is. GLOBAL WARMING.
the idiots of the left that say climate change only say it because they know that the global warming fiasco went down the hill and only gathered speed to its own demise.

you say climate change now instead of global warming, but guess what, climate change has been around since the birth of the planet earth and will still be here when man has gone the way of the dodo bird.
you say climate change, but what you mean is global warming.

I for one do not deny that climate change happens, and if you ask 99.99% of all people in the USA if climate change happens, that they will say yes. but global warming being caused my man is a very big hogwash. liberals only changed the name to suit their own needs. the global warming debate should be taken out of politics, all taxpayer funding ceased and remove the USA from any debate on global warming completely.
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Old 06-14-2014, 03:37 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Why would increased CO2 cause less food to be produced?
High carbon dioxide levels can retard plant growth, study reveals....Writing in the journal Science, researchers concluded that elevated atmospheric CO2 actually reduces plant growth when combined with other likely consequences of climate change -- namely, higher temperatures, increased precipitation or increased nitrogen deposits in the soil.
Climate change surprise: High carbon dioxide levels can retard plant growth, study reveals : 12/02

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Old 06-14-2014, 03:45 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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climate change deniers?

lets take all the politics out of global warming, and say it for what it is. GLOBAL WARMING.
the idiots of the left that say climate change only say it because they know that the global warming fiasco went down the hill and only gathered speed to its own demise.

you say climate change now instead of global warming, but guess what, climate change has been around since the birth of the planet earth and will still be here when man has gone the way of the dodo bird.
you say climate change, but what you mean is global warming.

I for one do not deny that climate change happens, and if you ask 99.99% of all people in the USA if climate change happens, that they will say yes. but global warming being caused my man is a very big hogwash. liberals only changed the name to suit their own needs. the global warming debate should be taken out of politics, all taxpayer funding ceased and remove the USA from any debate on global warming completely.
I use the term Global warming, because that is what it is...The climate is seldom static for long....You can deny AGW all you want, but it won't change the fact that it is happening.
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Old 06-14-2014, 03:47 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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it's not being "addressed?" could have fooled me.
Certainly not adequately, as carbon emissions continue to rise.
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Old 06-14-2014, 03:48 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Six Things Michael Mann Wants You to Know About the Science of Global Warming.

3. The Models Have Proven Accurate
Six Things Michael Mann Wants You to Know About the Science of Global Warming | Blog | BillMoyers.com
Climate scientists struggle to explain warming slowdown | Reuters
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Old 06-14-2014, 04:00 AM
 
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It's always entertaining to me when I read comments that deny climate change is happening. Over 98% of scientists agree that it is, and that carbon emissions are a major factor. If 98% of structural engineers told you to not enter a particular building because it's unsafe, would you go in anyway? I've spent a fair amount of my career living outside of the United States and I can assure you that this is settled science everywhere else in the World. Only in the U.S. has it become a political, rather than scientific, issue.
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Old 06-14-2014, 04:12 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Of the 2,258 peer-reviewed papers that have been published on the subject of climate change between November 2012 and December 2013
What is the plan to cool down the planet?

I've yet to get an answer to this. Let's say AGW warming is real... what is the plan to stop it?
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