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"...in 1981, President Ronald Reagan fired more than 11,000 air traffic controllers who ignored his order to return to work. The sweeping mass firing of federal employees slowed commercial air travel, but it did not cripple the system as the strikers had forecast. Two days earlier, nearly 13,000 controllers walked out after talks with the Federal Aviation Administration collapsed. As a result, some 7,000 flights across the country were canceled on that day at the peak of the summer travel season...Reagan branded the strike illegal. He threatened to fire any controller who failed to return to work within 48 hours. "
With the IRS and VA talk about not being able to fire Federal workers, I don't hear any talk about Reagan firing all of those striking air traffic controllers back in 1981 (in relation to the current news chatter on firing federal employees). Also, wasn't Hillary Clinton responsible for firing all of those White House travel office people when Bill Clintonn was in office? I'm not questioning Reagan's and Clinton's actions, only why the firing of the FAA and Travel Office people seemed like an easy thing to do and why it's so hard to fire federal employees (including federal executives) these days.
Is it just that the grounds for firing are so narrowly defined that incompetence and ethics are not grounds for firing? Also, there are federal executives who are appointed and even more who are not appointed. Why is it so difficult to fire them? They aren't in the employee unions.
Someone please explain to me the right-wing's obsession with firing people?
I have no objection to terminating folks if there is a clear, documented reason for doing such. It just seems like the right-wing gets some sort of rise out of people getting canned. Christie pumped his chest out to the buffet table when he fired people on his staff during Bridgegate.
Someone please explain to me the right-wing's obsession with firing people?
I have no objection to terminating folks if there is a clear, documented reason for doing such. It just seems like the right-wing gets some sort of rise out of people getting canned. Christie pumped his chest out to the buffet table when he fired people on his staff during Bridgegate.
Sometimes people need to be fired. But its not a secret, that in unions, especially public unions, its not easy. Its not easy to fire federal employees. Seems they have to do something heinous to get fired. Often, people are not held responsible for poor performance and misdeeds.
Someone please explain to me the right-wing's obsession with firing people?
I have no objection to terminating folks if there is a clear, documented reason for doing such. It just seems like the right-wing gets some sort of rise out of people getting canned. Christie pumped his chest out to the buffet table when he fired people on his staff during Bridgegate.
It's simple - do your job and stay employed. Do a crappy job and get canned. That philosophy has kept me employed through numerous layoff / downsizings / rightsizings / mergers / whatever you want to call the latest trend / etc.
Sometimes people need to be fired. But its not a secret, that in unions, especially public unions, its not easy. Its not easy to fire federal employees. Seems they have to do something heinous to get fired. Often, people are not held responsible for poor performance and misdeeds.
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Originally Posted by Robert_J
It's simple - do your job and stay employed. Do a crappy job and get canned. That philosophy has kept me employed through numerous layoff / downsizings / rightsizings / mergers / whatever you want to call the latest trend / etc.
"...in 1981, President Ronald Reagan fired more than 11,000 air traffic controllers who ignored his order to return to work. The sweeping mass firing of federal employees slowed commercial air travel, but it did not cripple the system as the strikers had forecast. Two days earlier, nearly 13,000 controllers walked out after talks with the Federal Aviation Administration collapsed. As a result, some 7,000 flights across the country were canceled on that day at the peak of the summer travel season...Reagan branded the strike illegal. He threatened to fire any controller who failed to return to work within 48 hours. "
With the IRS and VA talk about not being able to fire Federal workers, I don't hear any talk about Reagan firing all of those striking air traffic controllers back in 1981 (in relation to the current news chatter on firing federal employees). Also, wasn't Hillary Clinton responsible for firing all of those White House travel office people when Bill Clintonn was in office? I'm not questioning Reagan's and Clinton's actions, only why the firing of the FAA and Travel Office people seemed like an easy thing to do and why it's so hard to fire federal employees (including federal executives) these days.
Is it just that the grounds for firing are so narrowly defined that incompetence and ethics are not grounds for firing? Also, there are federal executives who are appointed and even more who are not appointed. Why is it so difficult to fire them? They aren't in the employee unions.
No, no, no. You must understand that in Con World, bad luck, unfair treatment and other unpredictable things NEVER happen to the Right People. If you're laid off in a merger, it can't be simply multinational business as usual. It must be because you did a crappy job. If you're a victim of office politics, it's you're fault. You must have done a crappy job. Company goes under? You did a crappy job and it's your fault. Punishment? Certainly not. Management is always right and noble. You must have done a crappy job.
You are unworthy and deserve to be poor and hungry. Didn't you get the memo?
No, no, no. You must understand in the Liberal World, nobody should be held accountable for anything. If you don't show up for work, are completely incompetent or you break the law, you shouldn't be punished, because it's not your fault. It's the fault of society. You should be put on paid leave while you have a chance to relax and refocus. Additionally, if a company is in trouble and needs to layoff some people, it's much better that the entire company goes under and everybody loses their job. Why should some people be allowed to continue working?
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