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So, what exactly defines weak gun laws? Is it a state that refuses to add additional restrictions in favor of enforcing current laws that are in place and would tackle all of the issues people seem to have? I highly doubt "weak" gun laws are the root cause of violence, especially considering those who commit crimes with guns rarely have any regard for the laws already in place, nor will they care about some shiny new law that is the must-have of the week.
Address poverty and educational short-comings and you'll do a whole lot more than passing more laws that criminals won't obey. And spend more time enforcing the existing laws. I'd almost bet that many people who are screaming for more gun laws have yet to read the existing laws.
Better circle the wagons and start another thread that is more believable and shows a direct cause and effect..
Might find a lot of government supported 'reservations' in those states. Maybe a relationship between government handouts and poverty. As in poverty being sustained by handouts vs govt going to places of poverty.
The World Health Organization defines Violence as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation,
only a ostrich, in the sand, would note that "not a threat to me"
- cost to society
- cost to your family (if you are impacted spouse/friend/family)
I don't think anyone who has had a suicide in their family. . .could echo the above statement. and the cost to society of suicide effects all of us.
Ok, let's play it your way then. Let's include suicides in the gun violence rate.....
Now, you guys always like to use Japan as a shining example of "common sense" gun control. After all, they only average about four gun deaths per year or so, and it's almost impossible to get a gun in Japan and the ones who are able to get one are extremely limited in their selection and type. And yet, Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world, MUCH higher than the US. How can that be? Obviously gun control didn't help in reducing suicides in that country. China ranks high on that list to, and guns are all but forbidden there, but gun control advocates want to use suicides as a reason for tougher gun laws here? In fact, The United States, with all it's guns, doesn't even rank in the top thirty countries with the highest suicide rate. Obviously gun control has no correlation with reducing suicides.
Address poverty and educational short-comings and you'll do a whole lot more than passing more laws that criminals won't obey. And spend more time enforcing the existing laws.
Fixing all those problems would be a lot harder then just banning guns....
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I'd almost bet that many people who are screaming for more gun laws have yet to
read the existing laws.
You know that's true. One common thread I've noticed with everyone demanding more gun laws is that they are clueless about guns and the laws that already regulate them. I'm not saying that to insult anyone, it's just a fact.
I knew someone who was (past tense) suicidal yet explicitly refused to commit suicide with a gun. Hanging? That was on the table. Poisoning? Yep, he considered that. Suffocation? That was ok with him. But a gun? Nope. Where did that put them (other than in dire need of help, thank you)?
ok, here we go again. try doing it separately. take all the states, remove all the liberal controlled high crime cities and take those stats again.
how about trying it this way. do not include any state as a whole, and run the numbers by the city and everything else outside the city.
Meh.... we don't even need to do that. The link provided says right off the rip that the overwhelming cause in every one of those states listed with the exception of one was suicide. This thread was dead on arrival.
I notice that you have the high rate of murders per 100k. how about doing the other way, how many murders by state. then do your listing again. also, take suicides out of it, those people would have died whether it was with a gun, rope, knife or what have you.
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