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Old 07-14-2014, 11:41 PM
 
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Define religious institution.
A school that teaches religious doctrine / offers religious services. Public money should not be spent on promoting religion.

 
Old 07-14-2014, 11:49 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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They're only "pro choice" when it comes to murdering babies, they are anti-choice everything else. Want to own a gun? Want to buy a large soda? Want to keep most of your hard earned money? Want to freely express your faith? Want to keep your football team name? Want to control your own healthcare? Want to choose what your business can pay for? Want to choose the school for your kids? Sorry, not in their world.

The modern day liberal is really a socialist, and socialists are authoritarians, supporters of tyranny. Authoritarians don't allow room for "choice," only they're choice is allowed, choices they force on the will of the people for their "own good."
So you actually agree with being pro choice, you just think Democrats are hypocrite, atleast you admitted it.

1. The majority of Liberals are fine with you owning a gun, its the fact that you support lack gun laws that allow criminals to easily get guns that are the problem

2. This one only includes NYC and the man who put that ban into place is a Republican, and it isnt even a ban for gods sake, you can still buy 100% of the oversized drinks you want. It only cuts serving sizes and even that ban is only on certain soft drinks, not anything else.

3. The highest tax rate in Obama's Presidency is still lower than the lowest tax rate of the Reagan tax rates.

4. "freely express your faith" , when was that infringed on ???

5. You do control your own healthcare, again , when did that change ?

6. If you cant get your kid into a private school, that has nothing to do with liberals, that has to do with the school either not liking you, your kid, or you not having enough money/connections to get in.
 
Old 07-15-2014, 12:19 AM
 
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Originally Posted by JasonF View Post
This.

I have no objection to a voucher system as long as the money is being spent to educate students and not to indoctrinate them into believing silly fairy tales.




As the Public schools do now.
 
Old 07-15-2014, 12:36 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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A school that teaches religious doctrine / offers religious services. Public money should not be spent on promoting religion.

After the voucher is issued, is it still public money?

If it is, by what legal authority does anyone except a representative of the state decide what is done with the money?

What would be the purpose of issuing such a voucher?
 
Old 07-15-2014, 01:28 AM
 
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Well the left think people of color can not think for themselves so they know what is best. I think all people of color speak very well for themselves. I respect them whether I agree with them or not.the democratic party has been using poor people (of all shades) as floor mats for years.
 
Old 07-15-2014, 04:22 AM
 
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It's most Democrats that oppose vouchers not some. In many poll Repugs also majority oppose.

NEA's Union Thugs is the reason.
Polls show that blacks overwhelmingly agree with the Republican politicians on the issue. Hence all of the Democrat distortions and fear mongering on the subject, such as blacks would have to travel "30 miles" to find a better school and it would be mad max in the inner city schools after some kids leave.
 
Old 07-15-2014, 04:28 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Honesty question because I do not know the answer. But despite words of some Democrats, it seems clear their actions show they are not in favor of these things. School choice and vouchers are good for low income people. So just why exactly does it appear the Dems are against it?
Democrats do not wish those enslaved to government get a chance to betterr themselves . As soon as one of those enslaved to the government sees they can improve democrats would lose votes

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Old 07-15-2014, 04:50 AM
 
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Because they are not good for low income people. Imagine a bullet in your hand while the gun is inside a locked case, that you dont have a key to.


Now imagine living in inner city Chicago and having a school voucher for your kid, but the next closest "good school" is 30 miles away. You dont have a car( the gun), so how is the kid going to get there.

Now, i could go into detail about how the few middle class kids who can get to those schools are the least expensive to educate but get the same voucher amount as other kids leaving behind schools that are less funded proportionally, if you want me to ?

I have a question for Conservatives, why not fix public schools ?
Do you honestly believe the nonsense that you type in defense of Democrats securing tax payer money for campaigns through public unions?

30 miles is the next closest good school? Do you honestly think that? Because apparently some kids don't have a car in their family or can't use the L Train or buses then no one should have a choice?

In a lot of these cases a student would be able to choose to walk to a school that is getting a C grade, as opposed to the school that is getting a D or F grade.
 
Old 07-15-2014, 05:06 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I'm totally fine with it as long as the public money doesn't go to religious institutions.
That's a faulty objection. Public money already goes to private religious-affiliated schools (Notre Dame, American University, Georgetown, Boston College, Emory, etc.) in the form of grants and scholarships for students and no one bats an eye.
 
Old 07-15-2014, 05:14 AM
 
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Well the left think people of color can not think for themselves so they know what is best. I think all people of color speak very well for themselves. I respect them whether I agree with them or not. The democratic party has been using poor people (of all shades) as floor mats for years.
Exactly.

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"Pro-voucher voters among racial minorities overwhelmingly support Barack Obama, but they are baffled by the Democratic nominee's opposition to vouchers. They also say they are frustrated that Democratic leaders appear to be more concerned about keeping the peace with teachers unions -- which adamantly oppose vouchers -- than about finding alternatives that could advance desperately needed education reforms for minority students.

...Public opinion polls also show solid support for school vouchers among minority parents. Sixty-five percent of adult African-Americans and 63 percent of adult Hispanics favor the use of vouchers, according to a national survey conducted earlier this year under the auspices of the journal Education Next and the Program on Education Policy and Governance at Harvard University. In the survey, more than half of minority adults gave higher marks to their local police than their public schools.

"There is no doubt that on this issue, ...Obama has it wrong," Martin wrote."
Education Reform - Obama Questioned On Vouchers

But, hey... poor people of all races/ethnicities keep overwhelmingly voting for voucher-denying Democrats and their forced educational and therefore socioeconomic oppression of their disadvantaged children. And they wonder why they and their children have to struggle their way through life.
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