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Social issues are privacy rights, abortion, gay marriage, drugs, etc.
And all issues effect us in some way.
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Higher minimum wage. Basic universal health care paid for via payroll tax. Subsidized higher education.
And what happens when that does not work?
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End corporate loopholes, tax dodging, and limiting campaign financing.
Not going to happen unless you have a flat tax, also the last cant happen seeing how it is protected by the 1st Amendment.
No, I'm very clear with my political beliefs. Any more questions?
Yeah if it you claim it moral you support it, you use emotion over facts and refuse to use any form of logic.
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I recommend you read up on libertarianism. You absolutely can be left-libertarian.
No, not really..If you do not limit and restrict the state then it will run unchecked and create havoc.
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Wrong!!! Never in my post did I say the state should provide for my life. I said the state should regulate a fair playing field for business and labor to coexist, as well as take an active part in health care and education. Never did I say the government should provide me a living or that they should own the economy (true socialism).
So you are libertarain but you want them to "take an active part" in health care and education..Plus tell use what that means..
Precisely. These extreme right-wingers never acknowledge what repudiates their childish, self-centered claptrap.
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Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated
On social issues yes. I think the government has no place in the private affairs of citizens. The government should simply regulate markets to create a fair playing field for business and labor to coexist.
I agree with this. The problems stem from the abuse of excessive power our society has granted to money over human beings, which is used to foster these childish exhortations of the egoistic right-wing's sycophants. If they were capable of thinking of other people as human beings, equal members of society, deserving of as much worth and dignity as themselves, they'd be unable to rationalize even in their own minds that which exploits the weak so grievously.
Precisely. These extreme right-wingers never acknowledge what repudiates their childish, self-centered claptrap.
Coming from your side I really did get a great laugh out of that.
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I agree with this. The problems stem from the abuse of excessive power our society has granted to money over human beings,
Really? What about the abuse of power in that Leviathan of a friend you call the Federal government?
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which is used to foster these childish exhortations of the egoistic right-wing's sycophants.
Really? Coming for the side that uses emotion to come to a decision in place of reason and facts?
Coming from a side that used child like emotionalism to take on adult problems?
How are our views and values "childish"
How are egotistic?
How are we "sycophant"?
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If they were capable of thinking of other people as human beings, equal members of society, deserving of as much worth and dignity as themselves, they'd be unable to rationalize even in their own minds that which exploits the weak so grievously.
We are human beings but then again dehumanizing all who stand in front of your mandate of heaven is the enemy..Right?
We are equal, we have equal rights, that being said results of our choices, decisions, efforts, labors will very greatly in a free society.
We are not denying anyone their worth and dignity. Just because we are unwilling to give up our rights,, liberties, freedoms, and wealth for fill in the blank with what ever failed idea we are not taking away their worth and dignity and your opinions do not change that.
But then again reducing people to impoverished, under or uneducated, dependent, reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd over gives them worth and dignity..Right?
We are able to our minds, our actions, our views, our values, and the outcomes of our decisions past and current..
How do we "exploit" the "weak" so "grievously"?
Coming from the side that claims that want a better education for the students of this nation but block real reforms like School Vouchers and Charter schools?
Coming from the side that claims that support the working and middle class but fight any attempt to cap and limit legal immigration? Side as whole I know you bUU may have different views
Coming from the side that claims "The border is as secure as it ever has been" and yet we have millions of persons coming into this nations reducing wages, committing violent crimes and reducing this nation to a 3rd world slum? Side as whole I know you bUU may have different views
Coming from the side that claims it feels want to reduce energy prices yet at every chance it prevents using the massive deposits of Oil and Gas, preventing the reduction in prices of energy and millions of great paying jobs?
Coming from the side that claims it does not want to make it hard for businesses to expend yet passes an obamanation (pardon the pun) of a 2,7000 bill many members of Congress confuses to not even reading that to date has creating 20,000 pages of regulations “associated†with the new law. 20,000 pages with more to come?
Coming from the side that claims it does not want to limit the right to keep and bear arms yet has been behind every successful and failed attempt to infringement upon the Right to Keep and Bear Arms? Yet has been the party that stands up the same day as a mass shooting and and prostitutes dead kids to advance an agenda which is antithetical to our Republic?
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If they were capable of thinking of other people as human beings, equal members of society, deserving of as much worth and dignity as themselves, they'd be unable to rationalize even in their own minds that which exploits the weak so grievously
How fitting your post are the best ways to describe you and your wrapped, twisted views.. Talk about being
hoisted by your own petard.
But then again you will not debate anything with fact, merit, logic, reason, and anything else that is not susceptible to logical, informal, factual, and cultural relativism.
[quote=Opin_Yunated;36017559] The government should simply regulate markets to create a fair playing field for business and labor to coexist.[/quore]
Please objectively define "fair". I am asking for a definition that applies to all matters above, so that it covers every situation and achieves "fair" without question.
The government should simply regulate markets to create a fair playing field for business and labor to coexist.[/quore]
Please objectively define "fair". I am asking for a definition that applies to all matters above, so that it covers every situation and achieves "fair" without question.
I thought it would be interesting to see what principles people base their views on. I think it's extremely important to have foundational principles that guide your views...otherwise you'll never stay consistent. What are the things you absolutely will not compromise on?
I have views that most won't agree with (not looking for a debate), but I'll list my principles just to get it going...
1. Non-aggression principle: the initiation of force against another person is immoral
2. Respect for property rights: if someone solely owns something, nobody else has a right to it
Whatever yours are, I'd like to hear them.
As a former beauty queen I have only one BASIC PRINCIPLE, truly - PEACE
Precisely. These extreme right-wingers never acknowledge what repudiates their childish, self-centered claptrap.
No, you just shout insults and moralizing condemnation, but never, EVER back up your arguments when questioned. Because you have no moral basis.
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I agree with this. The problems stem from the abuse of excessive power our society has granted to money over human beings,
Money is an abstract idea, an agreed-to means of enumerating trade between individuals / entities. It has no intelligence, no sentience, and no means of speaking for itself. How can it have power? It's paper or digital entries without intrinsic value of ANY kind of its own.
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which is used to foster these childish exhortations of the egoistic right-wing's sycophants.
More childish name-calling and insults, but not the slightest rationality.
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If they were capable of thinking of other people as human beings, equal members of society, deserving of as much worth and dignity as themselves, they'd be unable to rationalize even in their own minds that which exploits the weak so grievously.
Translation: "If you were as moral and good as I, you would agree with me."
Yet, you deny you claim to be morally superior. Cognitive dissonance is an intellectual deficit, and you have it in spades.
1. Just like Number 6 in "The Prisoner" TV show: "I am not a number. I am a free man!" Well...except I'm a woman. Everything is evaluated/filtered on the federal government nickel and diming the grab for personal freedoms, decisions and property with their grubby government hands no matter who runs the country (Democrats or Republicans).
2. If a politician of any stripe vows to reduce federal regulations and/or simplify the tax code, when campaigning, they are lying through their teeth and have been lying about it as a group of people (politicians) for decades. Politicians are mostly lawyers. They may return to law. Lawyers are the Number 1 contributors to politicians. Lawyers (and accountants) make a lot of money off of a complicated tax code and burdensome regulations. You want better government? Quit voting for lawyers. Their whole profession is not based on truth but based on getting people off. Do you really think they change their stripes once they walk up the Capitol or White House steps and all of a sudden claim they are paragons of the truth?
3. War is good for the economy. Cut through the pro and con humane/friendship/democracy blather associated with it and determine who benefits monetarily right down to your politicians, unions and the media, not just the more obvious businesses.
4. The media not reporting on something or short-shrifting an issue IS political bias no different than reporting something slanted.
Social issues are privacy rights, abortion, gay marriage, drugs, etc.
There is no right to privacy. There is a prohibition on government intruding into YOUR life.
Abortion is a matter of life and death, it's not a social issue, it's a legal issue about killing.
Gay marriage is a cultural issue, where a tiny minority seeks to change a cultural institution to include them.
"Drugs" is about whether or not the state has the authority to protect you from yourself.
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Higher minimum wage. Basic universal health care paid for via payroll tax. Subsidized higher education.
These are simply you seeking to impose your dreams on other people's lives. You are incompetent to decide these things for them.
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End corporate loopholes, tax dodging, and limiting campaign financing.
The easy solution is to end corporate tax. It's the best one, too. And, stifling speech via money is never good.
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No, I'm very clear with my political beliefs. Any more questions?
You haven't been straight about a single thing yet.
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I recommend you read up on libertarianism. You absolutely can be left-libertarian.
No, you can't.
The political left's fundamental premise is the state controlling the life of the individual - this is the opposite of liberty. Thus, you cannot be a left leaning libertarian.
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I have only one BASIC PRINCIPLE, truly - PEACE
