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View Poll Results: Does The Militarization Of The Police Concern you
Yes 122 80.79%
No 28 18.54%
Don't Care 1 0.66%
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Old 08-20-2014, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Oh Please....at an alarming rate....
Ferguson has 4 bearcats but no dash cams or body cameras.

Each bearcat cost $200K.

Now that is a small town of 21K.
Imagine how many bearcats NYC must be holding off somewhere ?
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Old 08-20-2014, 02:12 PM
 
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DHS is the one that funded all those grants for the anti-terrorist gear.
All that gear is to defend the US against terrorist invasions.
That goes back to the Patriot Act.
The reports I have seen trace the militarization to the riots of the 60's and 70's and the drug wars of the 80's and 90's. DHS is basically giving local police war equipment that the military currently doesn't need or want. At least from the reports I have seen.

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Old 08-20-2014, 02:22 PM
 
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that statement alone is false, Crime is certainly not the lowest in the country, it's much much worse then it ever was....and I'm talking violent crime....I have no idea where your getting your information, however, I do know and any cop knows, that the specific area that they live in, well, lets just say, they do not report how violent the crimes are nor do they report all the crimes, not nearly!

And I know that for a fact! Every single day, there is at least 1-3 shootings in Philly! Now, lets factor in Chicago and New York, LA, ATLANTA, and many other larger cites....where crime is rampid...

Yanno, this is the very thing that really disgusts me, it's how uninformed Americans are, and yet, everyone seems to know it all....why is that?

As I said before, if you do not back the very officers that are defending you and protecting you in this country, then somewhere along the line, you've been in trouble with the law.

Oh, and it's a proven fact, and there were actual reports about the mayor of Philly that hid crimes from the public to get people/tourists to come back to Philly, and yet, it is one of the most corrupt cities...with crimes you cannot even begin to imagine.
wrong... the reason you think violent crime is up is due to 24hour cable news and the internet constantly feeding you stories.
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Old 08-20-2014, 02:24 PM
 
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Ferguson has 4 bearcats but no dash cams or body cameras.

Each bearcat cost $200K.

Now that is a small town of 21K.
Imagine how many bearcats NYC must be holding off somewhere ?
yezzir... they can't afford camera's?

That's a lie.
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Old 08-20-2014, 02:32 PM
 
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yezzir... they can't afford camera's?

That's a lie.
The reports I've seen claim the DHS is giving away military goodies for damn near free.

Still, it would be interesting to see how much dough is put into education versus other budgets.
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Old 08-20-2014, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The reports I have seen trace the militarization to the riots of the 60's and 70's and the drug wars of the 80's and 90's. DHS is basically giving local police war equipment that the military currently doesn't need or want. At least from the reports I have seen.
If that's the case then why is DHS giving them money to buy these things ?
You'd think they would be free and not $200K-$250K each.

Just who is getting that money then ? Is this a stealth funding to the DoD from DHS ?

The "free" MRAPS are actually acquired through the DoD directly.
DHS must be for buying the new Lenco bearcats.

LOL..read the link. One town uses their MRAP to serve warrants

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.o...eAgencies.aspx
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Old 08-20-2014, 02:39 PM
 
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If that's the case then why is DHS giving them money to buy these things ?
You'd think they would be free and not $200K-$250K each.

Just who is getting that money then ? Is this a stealth funding to the DoD from DHS ?
All the major networks have been talking about the DHS and police militarization, so if you watch any of them tonite, I'm sure you'll hear about it.

The libertarian Stossel also has dealt with this topic even before Ferguson on his show.

The DHS and DoD might be in different pipelines.
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Old 08-20-2014, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The reports I've seen claim the DHS is giving away military goodies for damn near free.

Still, it would be interesting to see how much dough is put into education versus other budgets.
They are DHS grants..free money.

Towns Say 'No Tanks' to Militarized Police - WSJ
Six-figure grants from the Department of Homeland Security have been funding BearCats and other heavily fortified vehicles in towns and cities nationwide since soon after the 2001 terrorist attacks. Beginning last summer, the government also has handed out 200 surplus vehicles built to withstand mines and bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan, and is considering requests from 750 more communities.
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Old 08-20-2014, 02:44 PM
 
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More on these DHS grants.

Why do America's cops need an armored tank? - Technology & science - Tech and gadgets - Auto Tech | NBC News
In the wake of Sept. 11, Congress and Presidents Bush and Obama dramatically boosted Homeland Security spending; the Department of Homeland Security now hands out more than $3 billion a year in grants to boost anti-terrorism tools around the country. The Lenco BearCat — which starts at about $190,000 and can top $300,000 with options — can easily qualify as a necessary tool under several different grant programs, from disaster response to crime fighting.

In just the past year, federal grants bought BearCats for police and sheriff's departments from York County, Pa., to Pasadena, Texas, to Sparks, Nev. Police departments also often use money seized in drug cases for BearCats; under federal law, such cash can't be spent on their everyday costs, such as replacing worn-out cruisers.
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Old 08-20-2014, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I just went looking for how many bearcats DHS funded last year.
Sadly DHS reports that they do not track what their grant money is spent on so they have no figures.
Lenco is a private company and does not put out any numbers.
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