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What country are you talking about cause it sure ain't the same one these folks on here are talking about.
The obligation to care is simply to stabilize your but then kick you out the door with whatever 'long term' condition that resulted in the crisis still prevalent and worsening without a long term treatment protocol.
Now as to your stupidity about poor people.... here ya go:
"Conclusion: The PPACA will expand access to and reduce the cost of preventive care. However, these improvements do not address structural deficiencies of the US healthcare system that are root causes of income-related health disparities. True reform requires integration of the multiple-payer model to ensure equitable availability and quality of basic care, tougher measures to control costs, and coverage that includes migrants."
Summation: Your mom's basement might not be the best locale by which to even fantasize utopia and compare it to reality.
People can seek medical care through other means than government. People lived long and happy life before socialized healthcare. The Amish people have no health insurance and they do very fine. You understand that when you abolish socialized healthcare you also reduce taxes. Further, there are a lot of regulations in United States that drives costs up. A hospital should work like a fast-food joint – you can order what you want and if it is too expensive you can make a burger at home. The very idea of subscription is just insanity and dangerous. What you choose to put inside your stomach is your own business and the government.
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Are you seriously that ignorant!
1. A Bureaucrat does not decide if you should receive heath care or not!
2. Everyone treated in the NHS are treated equally the same as everyone else, and the Conservatives would have abolished the NHS if card-holders where only to Labour Party members! (Also where did you get card holders from? No one has a card holder for the NHS. Though at the moment we do need one for just British citizens as the whole world and his dog can be treated in the NHS! - witch I'm now just going into a little bit of an irrelevant rant...)
3. We receive good care (Who are you to say we don't if you don't live in the UK?!)
4. The population hostage? I'm pretty sure independent health insurance is keeping people hostage!
5. Well a controlled healthcare is the only good thing that Hitler done (bet it wasn't so good for the Jews though?!)
6. If you support the NHS, then you support compassion!
7. In the UK, if you don't like the NHS, then you can go privatized. So one does have a choice!
1. Yes they do, that what we call a death panel
2. Conservatives receive less and worse health care than Labor Party - card-holders.
3. Your healthcare is comparable to some third world banana republic if you are not a member of the party.
4. I understand that not all people will afford a health insurance but there are churches and foundations that help the poor. Its ought to be the civil society that helps the poor and not the government.
5. If you support NHS you are Nazi, communists or a liberal
6. No you don’t have free healthcare in UK. If I want to cure myself with Cannabis I would not be able to because Cannabis is illegal. In many US states including Colorado – Cannabis is legal.
People can seek medical care through other means than government. People lived long and happy life before socialized healthcare. The Amish people have no health insurance and they do very fine. You understand that when you abolish socialized healthcare you also reduce taxes. Further, there are a lot of regulations in United States that drives costs up. A hospital should work like a fast-food joint – you can order what you want and if it is too expensive you can make a burger at home. The very idea of subscription is just insanity and dangerous. What you choose to put inside your stomach is your own business and the government.
1. Yes they do, that what we call a death panel
2. Conservatives receive less and worse health care than Labor Party - card-holders.
3. Your healthcare is comparable to some third world banana republic if you are not a member of the party.
4. I understand that not all people will afford a health insurance but there are churches and foundations that help the poor. Its ought to be the civil society that helps the poor and not the government.
5. If you support NHS you are Nazi, communists or a liberal
6. No you don’t have free healthcare in UK. If I want to cure myself with Cannabis I would not be able to because Cannabis is illegal. In many US states including Colorado – Cannabis is legal.
Well, sure. Everyone can remove an appendix, do cardiac surgery or a colonoscopy at home.
Yes, you DO have death panels. They're called insurance companies.
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Many on the left don't want solidarity, they want true equality without regard to merit.
They feel the drug addict who has never paid any taxes and has been convicted on many occasions of robbery and assault is entitled to the exact same healthcare that a father who has worked his whole life and paid his taxes and health insurance bills receives. If that drug addict is in line first, he should be seen first.
They see no reason that people who work hard, sacrifice and don't break the laws should be able to live a better life than those who make the choice to live a crappy life.
I cannot agree more. You are very correct. If people instead of government controlled healthcare than people would stop use drugs because normal people would never give help to druggies. Just as people can decide which foundation they want to support (a Church or other) they can chose who should be given their help to finance their healthcare. The truth is that people act in solidarity when they are free. It is very few people who wouldn’t help a single mother with aid so she would be able to pay her bills or healthcare. The problem with government is that they rather help a criminal drug-dealer than that single mother. Normal people would never make such priority because they believe that good people should be prioritized when it comes to give aid. Liberalism and socialism has never been about helping that poor single-mother but do take control over people’s money and force them to obey to their insane morality about “equality”. Stalin, Hitler and Barack Obama – when everything comes around it’s the same thing that drives them.
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Well, sure. Everyone can remove an appendix, do cardiac surgery or a colonoscopy at home.
yes, you DO have death panels. They're called insurance companies.
Well, I do not support many of these insurance companies but they are alive and make big money because of big government. Get rid of government and these insurance companies would be gone in a heart beat just as the bankers that is aided by Federal Reserve and the political hacks in Congress.
1. Yes they do, that what we call a death panel
2. Conservatives receive less and worse health care than Labor Party - card-holders.
3. Your healthcare is comparable to some third world banana republic if you are not a member of the party.
4. I understand that not all people will afford a health insurance but there are churches and foundations that help the poor. Its ought to be the civil society that helps the poor and not the government.
5. If you support NHS you are Nazi, communists or a liberal
6. No you don’t have free healthcare in UK. If I want to cure myself with Cannabis I would not be able to because Cannabis is illegal. In many US states including Colorado – Cannabis is legal.
Wow... Have you even ever been to the UK before?
1. Whata a load of Bol*ocks!
2. Conservatives receiving less healthcare than the Labour party? By the way the conservatives, who are basically in power would not allow Labour members to receive better healthcare! - EVIDENCE PLEASE!
3. Show me EVIDENCE, by the way I am a near UKIP supporter (Very conservative for British standards) and I get the same good healthcare as much as a Labour or Liberal supporter...
4. Fair enough, that's your opinion, and I respect that.
5. No. if you support racism then you are a Nazi, if you support the absence of classes then you are a communist, and yes the NHS is a socialistic idea but on the basis that it is good for the people. Also remember that people do have a choice at whether they want to be in the NHS (like most people do), or go Privatized. So one isn't forced to be treated in the NHS!
6. What the heck has Cannabis got to do with everything?
Trust me, if you think our hospitals are 3rd world like, then You've obviously never been to Britain or a 3rd world country before! How can you say something like that without first hand experience and without giving any evidence! The NHS is one of the best controlled healthcare's in the world, though yes being in a privatized hospital is a little better! But at least our poor have a good chance of living longer than our fellow Americans!
Update: I will not consider newspapers or any biased companies as evidence. If it is from the Daily Mail I will not read it, if it's from Fox news I will not read it or watch it (unless for giggles, as Fox news is a joke!), if it's from a Communist newspaper I will not read it... Give me some balanced evidence please!
Wow... Have you even ever been to the UK before?
1. Whata a load of Bol*ocks!
2. Conservatives receiving less healthcare than the Labour party? By the way the conservatives, who are basically in power would not allow Labour members to receive better healthcare! - EVIDENCE PLEASE!
3. Show me EVIDENCE, by the way I am a near UKIP supporter (Very conservative for British standards) and I get the same good healthcare as much as a Labour or Liberal supporter...
4. Fair enough, that's your opinion, and I respect that.
5. No. if you support racism then you are a Nazi, if you support the absence of classes then you are a communist, and yes the NHS is a socialistic idea but on the basis that it is good for the people. Also remember that people do have a choice at whether they want to be in the NHS (like most people do), or go Privatized. So one isn't forced to be treated in the NHS!
6. What the heck has Cannabis got to do with everything?
Trust me, if you think our hospitals are 3rd world like, then You've obviously never been to Britain or a 3rd world country before! How can you say something like that without first hand experience and without giving any evidence! The NHS is one of the best controlled healthcare's in the world, though yes being in a privatized hospital is a little better! But at least our poor have a good chance of living longer than our fellow Americans!
Update: I will not consider newspapers or any biased companies as evidence. If it is from the Daily Mail I will not read it, if it's from Fox news I will not read it, even if it's from a Communist newspaper I will not read it... Give me some balanced evidence please!
Thank you for admitting that socialized healthcare is a socialist idea. It is actually a European conservative idea and not a socialist idea. European conservatives are statists just as many pale conservatives in United States. They share that trait with each other. American conservatives are different from European conservatives because they advocate libertarianism. I oppose socialized healthcare because it is a government tool for political and social control. There can be good governments and governance but in the end it is all about who is control. United Kingdom is controlled by a bunch of left-wing, by name only, (European) conservatives that cares nothing for United Kingdom and it is people. They are extremist-progressives that work for the big banks and the European Union rather than what is best for Britain.
As you understand - when it comes to many social issues – United States is just far-right of anything of what you got. Your UK establishment calls Front National (including UKIP) for “fascists” but they sound like (never mind the socialism within FN) like the center-right within the Republican Party.
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Well, sure. Everyone can remove an appendix, do cardiac surgery or a colonoscopy at home.
Yes, you DO have death panels. They're called insurance companies.
They cannot - so what? I believe people should finance their own healthcare (being able to or not) and if they cannot they have to ask people who can for help and that should be regular people and not the government. In a free market economy there would be foundations, churches and non-governmental organizations that would help the poor finance their healthcare. This is how the world looked like before the European welfare state, which was introduced in the 1920 in Europe and in part in United States.
People can seek medical care through other means than government. People lived long and happy life before socialized healthcare. The Amish people have no health insurance and they do very fine. You understand that when you abolish socialized healthcare you also reduce taxes. Further, there are a lot of regulations in United States that drives costs up. A hospital should work like a fast-food joint – you can order what you want and if it is too expensive you can make a burger at home. The very idea of subscription is just insanity and dangerous. What you choose to put inside your stomach is your own business and the government.
1. Yes they do, that what we call a death panel
2. Conservatives receive less and worse health care than Labor Party - card-holders.
3. Your healthcare is comparable to some third world banana republic if you are not a member of the party.
4. I understand that not all people will afford a health insurance but there are churches and foundations that help the poor. Its ought to be the civil society that helps the poor and not the government.
5. If you support NHS you are Nazi, communists or a liberal
6. No you don’t have free healthcare in UK. If I want to cure myself with Cannabis I would not be able to because Cannabis is illegal. In many US states including Colorado – Cannabis is legal.
Well Eddy; your opinions are truly off the wall in their ability to ignore facts in evidence to the contrary.
Churches and foundations to help the poor? Good grief!
"If you support NHS you are Nazi, communists or a liberal"
Aside from that being on the face of it a completely STUPID Statement; brother! Your ******* is astounding when you consider that none of the three can co-exist within their descriptions. Hitler was anything but a freak'n liberal or communist and ......cripes, I'm yelling down a mineshaft here. You have not made any kind of cognitive sense commencing with your first post in this thread.
Eddy; I think you should run upstairs and take the pop tart out of the toaster oven like your mom told you to before she left for work.
In countries like the UK and NZ, healthcare is focused on value for money, and isn't a major political issue, as in the US. If you want insurance you get it, and it will still be cheaper than typical US coverage
In the US, the ideal(that matters) is that the individual has responsibility for their health care, and someone shouldn't have to compromise their healthcare, for someone else - although I don't think this is a majority view. If for one reason or another you can't afford coverage, you will get a degree of health care -The US stills pays about the same per capita in taxes as UK/NZ for healthcare, so in a sense they do have an NHS, just one that covers a smaller percentage of the population.
"Why do many Americans hate the idea of the NHS?"
Because our government has a history of over paying by 10-100 fold for what it should cost. You know the $10,000 Shuttle toilet seat. If the design/developement and qualification of the toilet seat were factored into the cost, the Toilet seat would run a 100k per copy.
We should bid out our health care to the UK because the US government would exceed any other country in the worlds health cost by a factor of 10.
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