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Part of that is supply and demand. Universities limit the number of people that can attend medical school. Not true with plumbers.
Its very true as many highly paid plumbers are union members and nobody can just become an union plumber, but the main difference is that MD's have much education level and skill set than plumbers.
so random_thoughts has still FAILED to provide a definition of 'living wage'
come on random_thoughts belly up to the debate
we asked YOU to define ''living wage'....put an actual definition on it
what you people calling for an increase don't realize is that there is NO DEFINITION for living wage that iis universal .....
living wage in the NYC metro area might be $25/hr....but in miississippi it might be $7/hr
why cant liberals figure it out...one size does NOT fit all
federal min wage should be zero
min wage should be set LOCALLY ......not even by the state....(for example NY could have 3 min wages....1. nyc metro inc LI and Westchester...2 southern tier including binghamton, Oswego, erie, etc....3 the north country...ie watertown, messina, ogdensberg)
come on give a valid answer... you CONTINUE TO AVOID IT
so random_thoughts has still FAILED to provide a definition of 'living wage'
come on random_thoughts belly up to the debate
we asked YOU to define ''living wage'....put an actual definition on it
what you people calling for an increase don't realize is that there is NO DEFINITION for living wage that iis universal .....
living wage in the NYC metro area might be $25/hr....but in miississippi it might be $7/hr
why cant liberals figure it out...one size does NOT fit all
federal min wage should be zero
min wage should be set LOCALLY ......not even by the state....(for example NY could have 3 min wages....1. nyc metro inc LI and Westchester...2 southern tier including binghamton, Oswego, erie, etc....3 the north country...ie watertown, messina, ogdensberg)
come on give a valid answer... you CONTINUE TO AVOID IT
random thoughts still hasn't come up with an answer as just where the money should come from to pay for the increase in wage.
You are in no way concerned about the well being of other people, because there's a chunk of "other people" that you wish the government to initiate force upon, to their detriment, in the name of other people who you have decided to concern yourself with.
And to whose detriment would that be? lol
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And that was not the quote I was referring to. You admonished another poster to worry about what they make and stop worrying about anyone else....which given your constant bleating and babbling in this thread about what other people earn is both ironic and hypocritical. You're desperately worried about what other people earn, so you may want to not scold others for the same thing.
The difference which you obviously can't comprehend, is that people should not be concerned how much others are making as long as what they make is OK. Don't envy others, don't push them down afraid of your owne perceived position in society. Being concerned however about the wellbeing of others is absolutely natural.
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The employee must still agree to be paid that wage. It is never anything but voluntary. Don't blame employers for an explosion of the welfare state that allows people to work and collect benefits. Blame, in order, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, and LBJ. They built about 90% of the current welfare state, so argue with them on its merits and problems.
They built it because the streets were filled with the sick, disabled and old. They built it because it was embarrassing to see children beg for food on corners. Are you conservatives really pretend you dont know what America before the New deal looked like? Really?
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They also have extraordinarily tough immigration law, homogenized cultures, much smaller populations, and far less spending on foreign relations and national defense than we do. Oh yeah, and in almost every one of the countries, the effective tax rates are higher per individual, the unemployment rate is higher at the LOWER END OF THE EMPLOYMENT SPECTRUM, and the cost of living is higher. But hey, good for them, they have a high minimum wage.
No. Good for them because they have lower child poverty rates, good for them because they have higher percentage of educated population, good for them because they have lower crime and higher life expectancy. Good for them because they have a sustainable socio-economic model that seem to work.
We on the other hand, have inner city ghettos and widespread poverty. Aren't you proud?
Its very true as many highly paid plumbers are union members and nobody can just become an union plumber, but the main difference is that MD's have much education level and skill set than plumbers.
Depending on where you work in the Union, funny thing that most people don't realize is that a union residential plumber can make a lot less than a residential merit shop plumber. Commercial and industrial then the union guys make more.
As for trades that really bring in the cash, welding and HVAC. Home centers haven't destroyed HVAC because of the requirement with freon. If you're willing to put the summer hours in, HVAC techs can rake it in 100,000 per year. I know HVAC salesmen that make 200,000 plus a year.
Welding is limited to how much you want to work and travel, good pipe welders can make $100,000 to $150,000 a year.
Is a landline a luxury? What if you can get cell phone service for less than the cost of a landline? Is that a luxury?
EXACTLY. Let's remember, payphones were fairly common and most places had one bank per shopping center until the late 1990's/early 2000's because everyone had a cell phone so a cell phone isn't a luxury itself, it's the latest Android, iPhone, Fire Phone or Windows phone that is the luxury. In many cases, cell phones can be just as expensive as a landline AND much more convenient. Remember me talking about payphones earlier, 20 years ago you could have called your place of work at about every other mile on a highway if you got in a wreck. Now if you don't have a phone, you have to borrow one because the phones are much more rare. This is why a BASIC cell phone plan and a BASIC phone is indeed a need.
random thoughts still hasn't come up with an answer as just where the money should come from to pay for the increase in wage.
Depending on which store you work at should also determine the wages.
The average for a McDonald's franchise is 2.6 million a year, and McDonalds has it set up for the franchise owners to make 10% profit. The real world system to me is the higher revenue generating stores, say in the 5-6 million dollar range can pay more than minimum wage and should.
The lower revenue stores should pay the minimum wage.
Depending on which store you work at should also determine the wages.
The average for a McDonald's franchise is 2.6 million a year, and McDonalds has it set up for the franchise owners to make 10% profit. The real world system to me is the higher revenue generating stores, say in the 5-6 million dollar range can pay more than minimum wage and should.
The lower revenue stores should pay the minimum wage.
EXACTLY. Let's remember, payphones were fairly common and most places had one bank per shopping center until the late 1990's/early 2000's because everyone had a cell phone so a cell phone isn't a luxury itself, it's the latest Android, iPhone, Fire Phone or Windows phone that is the luxury. In many cases, cell phones can be just as expensive as a landline AND much more convenient. Remember me talking about payphones earlier, 20 years ago you could have called your place of work at about every other mile on a highway if you got in a wreck. Now if you don't have a phone, you have to borrow one because the phones are much more rare. This is why a BASIC cell phone plan and a BASIC phone is indeed a need.
What I wanna know is, where do old pay phones go when they are taken out of service and removed from their installations (shopping centers, supermarkets etc). Are there warehouses full of pay phones?
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