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Perhaps he works for one of the special interests that continue to lobby for its prohibition? I know smokers and non-smokers in my personal life, and nobody I know is that vehemently against legalization!
You know someone now. I am vehemently against the legalization of marijuana.
If you want to decriminalize marijuana, I am fine with that, but I will go out of my way to prevent the legalization of marijuana. We already screwed up big time with the legalization of alcohol and tobacco. Why make yet another mistake with legalizing marijuana?
I prefer to live in a society where crime is kept to a minimum. The Constitution mandates the government to maintain domestic tranquility, and I support candidates who promise to honor that mandate. You say people should be free to do as they wish, but if the price for the freedom for few equates to the loss of freedom for many, then I cannot support it.
Criminals see laws and laws enforcement as tyranny, so I see where you're coming from, but I don't see it that way.
I see laws against murder, rape, stealing, assault, child molestation, people like Bernie Madoff robbing people of their life savings as laws that make sense. I see using force on people via the government for non-violent things such as smoking weed, and criminalizing it's possession and distribution as tyranny, as well as the creation of crime and the black market. If you want to reduce crime surrounding cannabis, then legalize it. Problem solved. You can post a bunch of BS propaganda and bunk statistics that legalization increases crime until the cows come home. The majority of us on this thread are not buying it. Furthermore, I'm not interested in restricting the rights of Americans and limiting their individual freedoms because of your fears, or because you feel "icky" about something. Don't like it, don't use it. Again. It's rather simple. Me smoking a doobie in the privacy of my own home in northeast Ohio is not causing harm to you in south Florida. Admit it. It's about controlling others, and forcing your will on them, because you don't agree with that person's choice or how they live their life.
"Those who would give up their individual freedoms for more security, deserve neither"- Benjamin Franklin
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Originally Posted by cruxan
wouldn't vote for that moron for dog catcher..
You've got that right. Wanna be dictators have no place in our government, or even in a free society.
We're wasting our time trying to convince some of these yahoos. Facts, statistics, logic, reason, common sense, basic decency, etc., etc., all to to avail. Might as well argue with a turnip. (And no one has answered my challenge in post 259.)
Maybe Romney would be a good VP for Huckabee. We could call them the "dynamic duo".
People talk about medicinal marijuana. And you know, you hear that story that people who are sick need medicinal marijuana. But marijuana is the entry drug for people trying to get kids hooked on drugs. I don't want medicinal marijuana; there are synthetic forms of marijuana that are available for people who need it for prescription. Don't open the doorway to medicinal marijuana.” July 25, 2007, Romney speaking at a town hall meeting in Bedford, New Hampshire
You know someone now. I am vehemently against the legalization of marijuana.
If you want to decriminalize marijuana, I am fine with that, but I will go out of my way to prevent the legalization of marijuana. We already screwed up big time with the legalization of alcohol and tobacco. Why make yet another mistake with legalizing marijuana?
What mistakes? Decriminalization is a band aid, and does not mean it's legal. Furthermore it still keeps the black market in play, as they would be the primary source of distribution. When prohibition of alcohol ended, so did the organized crime surrounding it. If you have no issues cannabis use, and people having it, then why oppose legalization?
If you want to reduce crime surrounding cannabis, then legalize it. Problem solved.
That is where you are wrong.
Legalizing marijuana would just begin the crimes that will be attributed to marijuana. Only this time it will be tax laws that will be violated, which means a whole new branch of Department of Treasury Agents. So now there will be the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, Explosives and Marijuana.
Armed BATFEM agents will be scouring the nation looking for those marijuana growers and sellers evading the marijuana tax. So instead of putting someone in prison for possessing or using marijuana, now you will put someone in prison for marijuana tax evasion.
Legalization of marijuana will not reduce crime, it may actually cause crime to increase. After all, legalization means the enactment of new laws, which will need to be enforced because eventually those marijuana laws will be violated. Not to mention the government will now have a vested interest in collecting marijuana tax revenues, reducing the government to the same moral character as a common street pusher. Personally, I would rather my government take the moral high ground than crawl in the gutter for pennies.
Maybe Romney would be a good VP for Huckabee. We could call them the "dynamic duo".
People talk about medicinal marijuana. And you know, you hear that story that people who are sick need medicinal marijuana. But marijuana is the entry drug for people trying to get kids hooked on drugs. I don't want medicinal marijuana; there are synthetic forms of marijuana that are available for people who need it for prescription. Don't open the doorway to medicinal marijuana.”
July 25, 2007, Romney speaking at a town hall meeting in Bedford, New Hampshire
More like Dumb and Dumber!
Romney sounds like he drank too much of the "Reefer Madness" kool-aid with that speech, as that is straight out of the propaganda playbook surrounding cannabis. He may as well have said used the line that he didn't want the blacks with their evil jazz music using that "devil weed" to seduce our white women! Furthermore, of course Romney won't support legal cannabis, and will promote the synthetic form, because more than likely Mittens is getting his palms greased by Big Pharma, and to Big Pharma legalization is a big no-no, because it pays to keep people sick, and hooked on their crap! At any rate, I cannot in good conscience support either of those two who would seek to deny people their ability to seek a safer alternative without horrible side effects to cure what ails them, or controlling and restricting people's individual liberties because something bad might happen. You might be good with it. I'm not.
Legalizing marijuana would just begin the crimes that will be attributed to marijuana. Only this time it will be tax laws that will be violated, which means a whole new branch of Department of Treasury Agents. So now there will be the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, Explosives and Marijuana.
Armed BATFEM agents will be scouring the nation looking for those marijuana growers and sellers evading the marijuana tax. So instead of putting someone in prison for possessing or using marijuana, now you will put someone in prison for marijuana tax evasion.
Legalization of marijuana will not reduce crime, it may actually cause crime to increase. After all, legalization means the enactment of new laws, which will need to be enforced because eventually those marijuana laws will be violated. Not to mention the government will now have a vested interest in collecting marijuana tax revenues, reducing the government to the same moral character as a common street pusher. Personally, I would rather my government take the moral high ground than crawl in the gutter for pennies.
We'll agree to disagree. Prohibition is an absolute failure. I figure you would have learned that given the first time we tried that with alcohol. At any rate, we wouldn't have an issue if our government didn't ban cannabis in the first place. Sure it would be nice for me to be able to grow my own for my own personal use, whenever I wanted, however; that is NOT going to happen. It may have happened in Alaska, but that is probably due to it's sparse population, and climate.
Romney sounds like he drank too much of the "Reefer Madness" kool-aid with that speech, as that is straight out of the propaganda playbook surrounding cannabis. He may as well have said used the line that he didn't want the blacks with their evil jazz music using that "devil weed" to seduce our white women! Furthermore, of course Romney won't support legal cannabis, and will promote the synthetic form, because more than likely Mittens is getting his palms greased by Big Pharma, and to Big Pharma legalization is a big no-no, because it pays to keep people sick, and hooked on their crap! At any rate, I cannot in good conscience support either of those two who would seek to deny people their ability to seek a safer alternative without horrible side effects to cure what ails them, or controlling and restricting people's individual liberties because something bad might happen. You might be good with it. I'm not.
Not to mention the fact that Romney belongs to a religion that prohibits alchohol.
I have seen alcohol do worse yet it is still legal.
I think the main problem in our country is people wanting to ban and limit things for petty personal reasons.
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I know smokers and non-smokers in my personal life, and nobody I know is that vehemently against legalization!
Furthermore, of course Romney won't support legal cannabis, and will promote the synthetic form, because more than likely Mittens is getting his palms greased by Big Pharma, and to Big Pharma legalization is a big no-no, because it pays to keep people sick, and hooked on their crap! At any rate, I cannot in good conscience support either of those two who would seek to deny people their ability to seek a safer alternative without horrible side effects to cure what ails them, or controlling and restricting people's individual liberties because something bad might happen. You might be good with it. I'm not.
