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Old 09-15-2014, 12:51 PM
 
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I learned something new today. I didn't realize the NFL organization was operating at a loss. I'm very surprised by that. How does a head of a highly-lucrative $10B industry operate at a loss?
I dont have actual figures obviously so let me just make them up and show you how it happens

NFL spends $1M a year on salaries
NFL has $10B a year in revenues but passes on $1B a year to 10 teams

it just had a $1M loss

 
Old 09-15-2014, 12:55 PM
 
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LOL because the NFL isnt a lucrative 10B industry. It is the Member Association of 32 Member teams that ARE a highly-lucrative $10B industry.

The money made by the teams does not belong to the NFL. The NFL gets dues from its members. NONE of the big money actually goes to the NFL. well... they get like $200M a year but they spend more than that on behalf of their members.... so...

Now those 32 teams? they are awash in Cash and pay BIG dollars to the feds every year.
I get that the NFL doesn't actually receive the $10B...but it defies good business sense to operate any business at a loss, especially if the business is tax-exempt. What good does it do to run in the negative? I can certainly see running at break-even, but a loss just doesn't make sense when revenues are available to make the organization whole through its members.
 
Old 09-15-2014, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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I learned something new today. I didn't realize the NFL organization was operating at a loss. I'm very surprised by that. How does a head of a highly-lucrative $10B industry operate at a loss?
The "National Football League" is legally a trade association. It's not a charity any more than the Motion Picture Association of America, representing big movie studios, is. The tax exemption status is for 'civic' or 'commercial' organizations. The players aren't their employees any more than Tom Cruise is an MPAA employee. While Goodell weilds a lot of influence in the league's operations, he is ultimately at the service of the NFL's paying members - owners of the teams.

The "National Football League" derives its income from membership dues from each of the teams and fines handed out to players/coaches and investments.
 
Old 09-15-2014, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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oh liberal ignorance..

The NFL is a non profit because the NFL passes the refenues onto the teams where the TEAMS ARE TAXED..

Thats why the teams are so valuable, because they receive the revenues and the profits..

Exactly. This is the equivalent of taxing the Board of Education in your town because it receives money from the state.
 
Old 09-15-2014, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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I dont have actual figures obviously so let me just make them up and show you how it happens

NFL spends $1M a year on salaries
NFL has $10B a year in revenues but passes on $1B a year to 10 teams

it just had a $1M loss
You can use actual figures. Here is their form 990. It's publicly disclosed.

http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocument...907a8cd-9O.pdf
 
Old 09-15-2014, 01:00 PM
 
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I get that the NFL doesn't actually receive the $10B...but it defies good business sense to operate any business at a loss, especially if the business is tax-exempt. What good does it do to run in the negative? I can certainly see running at break-even, but a loss just doesn't make sense when revenues are available to make the organization whole through its members.
not really sure. but i suspect as a trade association, it spends money on behalf of its members and at times that money exceeds its revenue....but i also suspect every dollar they spend is spent with the agreement of the 32 men who are the actual members of the association...
 
Old 09-15-2014, 01:03 PM
 
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You can use actual figures. Here is their form 990. It's publicly disclosed.

http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocument...907a8cd-9O.pdf
LOL. if the NFL was a people it could apply for foodstamps.
 
Old 09-15-2014, 01:04 PM
 
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I get that the NFL doesn't actually receive the $10B...but it defies good business sense to operate any business at a loss, especially if the business is tax-exempt. What good does it do to run in the negative? I can certainly see running at break-even, but a loss just doesn't make sense when revenues are available to make the organization whole through its members.
The good in running at a loss is thats pretty much whats mandated as a non profits. Non profits by design, can not make profits.
 
Old 09-15-2014, 01:32 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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The NFL is just an entity that makes rules, schedules games, etc. The 32 teams are not tax exempt.
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Old 09-15-2014, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Historic Gulfport
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Read more about the tax exemption here:
http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/...3-968dc4beedee
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