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Old 09-18-2014, 10:48 AM
 
Location: USA
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When you make minimum wage you end up being entitled to a slew of gubment subsidies. It's like whatever Mickey D's won't pay you the gubment makes up for it. Heck, you can even get tuition assistance, have two years of community college for free. Where I live you can go to community college for basically nothing. Yet you still have people complaining that Walmart won't pay enough.

I used to work in customer service which generally tends to be low paying. I worked in rotten working conditions, third shifts, second shifts, all holidays. Even if I worked overtime I was always poor. I knew I didn't want to get stuck there so I made an effort to get out.
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Old 09-18-2014, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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If Man A legitamitely owns the resources/has them within his personal possession (void of force to attain/denial of another's right) and wishes to employ Man B to utilize these resources in an endeavor it is 100% up to the parties involved as to what the pay will be as well as other conditions.
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Old 09-18-2014, 10:50 AM
 
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While it helps, all things being equal, what a basic wage pays in actual material and benefits has little to do with how hard you work, that unless you prefer to use a broken economic model , like labor theory in private transactions. That is why in the 60s workers had do you very little for rather high wages compared to now. Probably the best thing that is much more advantageous than working harder is to move. And don't move into high rent areas unless you are the one collecting the rent, or have a means of avoiding rent.
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Old 09-18-2014, 10:52 AM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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"Effort" in and of itself has no value. If someone needed a boulder moved, they could care less if one idiot moved it one foot a day with his bare hands or another used a front end loader to haul it a hundred yards in two minutes. The guy with the loader is more valuable and he just moved little sticks
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Old 09-18-2014, 11:00 AM
 
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When you make minimum wage you end up being entitled to a slew of gubment subsidies. It's like whatever Mickey D's won't pay you the gubment makes up for it. Heck, you can even get tuition assistance, have two years of community college for free. Where I live you can go to community college for basically nothing. Yet you still have people complaining that Walmart won't pay enough.

I used to work in customer service which generally tends to be low paying. I worked in rotten working conditions, third shifts, second shifts, all holidays. Even if I worked overtime I was always poor. I knew I didn't want to get stuck there so I made an effort to get out.
So, what do you propose? Making the working poor poorer to motivate them?
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Old 09-18-2014, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Min should be twenty dollars an hour unless its a baby sitting job for friends or relatives.
Based on what? A number pulled from some dark place?

Is this job worth $20 / hour? Should this job pay enough to support a family?
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Old 09-18-2014, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Based on what? A number pulled from some dark place?

Is this job worth $20 / hour? Should this job pay enough to support a family?
I suppose that if he is sending loads of buying customers into the store every hour he works then he certainly is worth more than $20 per hour.
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Old 09-18-2014, 11:53 AM
 
Location: California
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You know, when I think of min wage and the increase I think of full time jobs, not the "a few hours a week spinning a sign" type of jobs, not the part time, after school jobs. Maybe there should be a difference? The problem is most employers don't offer full time jobs anymore to most of their workforce.

Many employers want multiple part time workers so they don't have to give any benefits (not just health insurance, but no benefits period). Many don't even want to hire people at all, preferring contractors and 1099 workers. Most want experience, many want a college degree with letters of reference. And let's not forget those lovely faux-psych tests some places use.

The job market is not good or healthy, we can't just close our eyes to that and push for "boot strap" actions at the same time.
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Old 09-18-2014, 11:54 AM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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I suppose that if he is sending loads of buying customers into the store every hour he works then he certainly is worth more than $20 per hour.
Not if someone else is willing to do it for five dollars an hour...then it is worth five dollars an hour...
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Old 09-18-2014, 11:54 AM
 
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Well, the RWNJs would like people to believe, "That's just life". In their twisted and greed filled existence that may be true but it sure isn't true for the workers of our country. If you want to compete with third world countries when it comes to wages you will become a third world country. The USA is headed that way as multinational corporations rule the roost in Yankeeland.
Who exactly are the "workers" of our country? Isn't anyone with a job a worker?

I have a whitecolor sales job, but I'm still a 'worker'.

Or is 'worker' only defined by low skill, low wage, low value employees? Perhaps only union employees?
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