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Old 10-16-2014, 01:03 PM
 
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
No.

Direct contact is direct contact.

If someone sneezes on you, the germs in their saliva just made direct contact with you.

Three feet is an approximation of how far you want to stay from someone who is sneezing to avoid direct contact with their saliva.

And in terms of Ebola, the virus still needs a pathway into you. It is not absorbed through the skin. You won't get Ebola from touching a doorknob that has wet vomit on it from an infected person, you'll get Ebola when you touch that doorknob and then touch your nose, eyes, mouth, or an open cut or sore.

As for clipboard guy, you will note the patient was in full protective gear. If she sneezed, her saliva was traveling....nowhere.
Aerosol contact range is 10-20 ft,,,,not 3 ft.....A scratch is all it takes for EBola to take hold...or for that matter any virus...I don't believe we will experience a pandemic but that hinges on people being aware with sound facts....and taking precautionary measures....The problem is that this spreads rapidly once a carrier becomes a "leaker". Sorry to use that term but it is descriptive...at this point even the sweat of a carrier is highly contagious....As demonstrated by the two nurses...There's no downplaying this and the government should be using data on passports that were in infected countries to be placed on the no fly list....That is what is know as a first line defense...If that was in place we wouldn't be discussing this...
Every one knows this and doesn't trust our government to get it right,,,for exactly that reason.....

as always,,,buy bleach..
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Old 10-16-2014, 01:06 PM
 
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Yes.

And here's the main takeaway:

"“This is not simply charity,” he intoned. “Probably the single most important thing that we can do to prevent a more serious Ebola outbreak in this country is making sure that we get what is a raging epidemic right now in West Africa under control.”"

It's believe it's not our business to tell other countries what they should/should not be doing in this or any circumstance. How would our leaders like if other countries told us we are doing this/that/the other thing wrong and do it "this" way? Right, we'd tell them to mind their own business affairs and we'll respond to things if/when we want. We can't/shouldn't control/preach to the world. I'm guessing you don't like it when people tell you what you're doing "wrong" in your life and you should be doing it this way?
They need some prodding. He is well within his rights and responsibilities to politely yet firmly remind them of theirs.
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Old 10-16-2014, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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They need some prodding. He is well within his rights and responsibilities to politely yet firmly remind them of theirs.
I think my main point was we need a bit of prodding on our end 1st to get our act together before we tell others what they should be doing.
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Old 10-16-2014, 01:11 PM
 
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I think my main point was we need a bit of prodding on our end 1st to get our act together before we tell others what they should be doing.
It's two separate problems and he can work on both at the same time.
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Old 10-16-2014, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Hospitals are not run by the CDC. Hospital administrators of huge metro facilities should not be so clueless that they cannot put in place and implement even basic common sense protocol without being told how. Texas Presbyterian has an Infectious Disease Department. Don't tell me they don't know about Ebola or how to isolate a single patient. The hospital is ultimately, as a private non profit enterprise, responsible for the people under their roof.
And then there's the state and county health departments.......

This could have happened in any of the 5000+ hospitals in the US.

Due to severe cuts in Federal funding for Hospital Preparedness, how many states, counties and hospitals took responsibility for themselves to prepare for a remote virus that could walk into their ER, tomorrow?

How many or rather how few people in the world have hands on experience treating Ebola who are not in Africa, right now, on the front line?
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Old 10-16-2014, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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It's two separate problems and he can work on both at the same time.
Yes, we've seen him work golf into his campaign fundraising schedule at the same time so you might have a point.
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Old 10-16-2014, 01:21 PM
 
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Yes, we've seen him work golf into his campaign fundraising schedule at the same time so you might have a point.
We've also seen him, this week, cancel fundraisers to work on Ebola.
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Old 10-16-2014, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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So you keep pooh poohing any concern and just keep the blinders on. The biggest danger is this could trash the world's economy because people will just stop traveling. Then see what happens.
Yet it seems every politician, facing reelection, in need of more face time in on the air calling for a ban on travel.

I have long lost track of politicians and media talking heads who sustain the perception that there are daily shuttle flights between US airports and the 3 infected countries and those flights are chock full of Liberian Nationals infected with Ebola. And all we have to do is ban these people and all will be well in the US.

If only it were that simple. If only....
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Old 10-16-2014, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The CDC warned Frontier Airlines today that the nurse may have had Ebola symptoms (i.e., was contagious) on their flight:



Airline: CDC Warned Patient 'May Have Been Symptomatic' On Board

The pilot and crew are in isolation for 21 days, and all carpet and seat covers are being removed and redone. But don't worry, it's really, really hard to get. Obama is hugging and kissing the nurses and there is no way this can spread in America.
Denial is a primitive instinct.
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Old 10-16-2014, 02:03 PM
 
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That is going overboard.

On the other hand, given we aren't sure what the "error in protocol" was with the two Dallas nurses, and the one was even told by the CDC she was just fine to fly, the below link is troubling. He is, after all, the president of the United States, and we go to incredible lengths/expenses to assure his safety. Can you imagine if it turned out one of those nurses had an oops with the protocol and just didn't have a high enough fever to be considered concerning enough yet? Holy cow.


Obama: ‘I hugged and kissed’ medical staff treating an Ebola patient — and ‘felt perfectly safe doing so’ - The Washington Post
Trusting to dumb luck seems to be a running theme with the president. Maybe he was thinking happy thoughts, and so no germs could penetrate.
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