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Old 10-30-2014, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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WE all have faults. You want perfection? She was a leader in challenging laws and in this context of this thread that is what she did. Let's stay on point....shall we?
You brought her up as some paragon of nursing virtue. She thought black people were inferior. Being half black, yeah, I take exception to her. I rebutted your 'example'. That IS staying on point.
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:51 AM
 
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Remember, Dr. Brantly tested negative - twice - before his positive test results. Her testing negative is no guarantee that she doesn't have Ebola.
I don't think that's the point. I mean, it's the point for many people, but it's the risk of spreading infection that is the point of quarantine. Even if she tests positive next week for Ebola, she is self-monitoring, testing her temperature twice a day, and following the WHO guidelines which have not yet failed us in the case of returning healthcare workers. She's not contagious now, and if she should come down with Ebola, her self-monitoring would catch the infection before she starts shedding virus. So she poses no risk at this time, and quarantining her while she poses no risk is not logical or even legal.
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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She didn't break a mandatory quarantine. She hasn't been served with any papers from Maine placing her in a quarantine.

And her license isn't in jeopardy. If she chooses to fight a quarantine order in the courts, her license isn't in jeopardy.

That's the reality.
There are web sites encouraging the public to file complaints against her with Texas and Maine with the intent of revoking her licenses.
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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I hear Hitler was kind to dogs.

Are you always this unhelpful?
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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I don't think that's the point. I mean, it's the point for many people, but it's the risk of spreading infection that is the point of quarantine. Even if she tests positive next week for Ebola, she is self-monitoring, testing her temperature twice a day, and following the WHO guidelines which have not yet failed us in the case of returning healthcare workers. She's not contagious now, and if she should come down with Ebola, her self-monitoring would catch the infection before she starts shedding virus. So she poses no risk at this time, and quarantining her while she poses no risk is not logical or even legal.
I was simply pointing out that testing negative for Ebola early in the incubation period is no guarantee she doesn't have Ebola. I know you have talked about misconceptions of the public quite a bit and that's one I've seen touted as an absolute that she doesn't have Ebola in various places. It's a misconception.
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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There are web sites encouraging the public to file complaints against her with Texas and Maine with the intent of revoking her licenses.
As we all watch the Spirit which made America be challenged by the people who know nothing, who never did anything and hated everything. Shame really.
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:55 AM
 
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Margaret Sanger was a eugenist that thought black people were inferior. I wouldn't be holding her up as a paragon of nursing virtue if I were you.

Margaret Sanger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Margaret Sanger shared the majority view of her time regarding black people. She was a product of her time, who believed medicine had a responsibility to address social ills as well as physical ailments. Naturally we don't agree with all of her views. She's from a bygone era. I'm sure if we studied Clara Barton she would have cultural and social views that we wouldn't agree with. Sanger's advocacy for birth control was very brave, especially in light of the public backlash against her.
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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I was simply pointing out that testing negative for Ebola early in the incubation period is no guarantee she doesn't have Ebola. I know you have talked about misconceptions of the public quite a bit and that's one I've seen touted as an absolute that she doesn't have Ebola in various places. It's a misconception.
You may be correct however the "testing" was conducted in Africa and dubious? I cannot say for sure. I hope for her sake that she does not contract it. My understanding is that if you have had contact with the virus then you develop antibodies quickly. That's the way antibodies work.
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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As we all watch the Spirit which made America be challenged by the people who know nothing, who never did anything and hated everything. Shame really.
We are a nation of fearful, self-absorbed cowards.
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Margaret Sanger shared the majority view of her time regarding black people. She was a product of her time, who believed medicine had a responsibility to address social ills as well as physical ailments. Naturally we don't agree with all of her views. She's from a bygone era. I'm sure if we studied Clara Barton she would have cultural and social views that we wouldn't agree with. Sanger's advocacy for birth control was very brave, especially in light of the public backlash against her.
i can't imagine putting up with the doctors of those times. Out of 33 only 4 graduated. Must have been very harsh but her own struggles yielded fruit. Nurses are brave, dedicated and contrary. When you see what we see, little scares us.

Don't we know this?
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