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Old 11-07-2014, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I do, I just have to call them on their stupidity.

I really hate stupid.
Stupid is a perspective. There is ignorance, which you have shown in multiple posts about historical facts and trends.

One mans stupid is another mans genius. People called guys sitting in a garage with a soldering iron and a mother board stupid in the 70's. They sure look pretty damned smart now.

 
Old 11-07-2014, 10:17 AM
 
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Stupid is a perspective. There is ignorance, which you have shown in multiple posts about historical facts and trends.

One mans stupid is another mans genius. People called guys sitting in a garage with a soldering iron and a mother board stupid in the 70's. They sure look pretty damned smart now.
To blithely call a storm a product of man is stupid.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 10:22 AM
 
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You are so utterly full of it! I am supposed to read all of your links with an open mind but whatever I may post is considered immediately suspect. Ross Gelbspan is an activist with a bias, why should I consider what he has to say? See? I can play that game too.

It seems also, after looking online, that the only "evidence" of this $2,500 a DAY claim come from the Gelbspan article who offers no sources whatsoever to back it up.
This from a discredited ex-journalist who fraudulently claimed he won a pulitzer prize
Ross Gelbspan
LOL... so wait, a book jacket that he didn't write contains a mistake, and suddenly he's a 'discredited journalist'. Copywriters for the publishing companies write those, not the writers themselves. They do it to boost their sales, or because they don't understand how the prizes work.

You've also cited a website that uses such objective terms as HA! when they're 'completely destroying' their sources... not so sure they're in a position to criticize the journalistic standards of others.

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In 1984, Gelbspan's newspaper The Boston Globe and seven staff writers were awarded Pulitzer Prizes for a series of articles. But not Gelbspan. He was simply an editor who had some (non-award-winning) involvement in the series of articles.
So yes, he didn't write the series of articles, he only edited them and directed them. Wow, what a controversy!

Guess you can throw out the whole 30-year career then, and he's obviously lying about Lindzen, who himself admits to receiving money from oil companies (but not the amounts reported, as that would damage his credibility), regularly associates himself with PR firms like Heartland, regularly appears on blogs dedicated SOLELY to attacking AGW from any angle they can find, etc.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm pretty sure that some book jackets or website blurbs that Gelbspan didn't even write don't equate to him being 'discredited', and it definitely doesn't mean that what he claims is untrue. Most biographies you can read online state clearly that he edited and directed the pulitzer projects. As for the activism, if I had discovered a cause that inspired me to act, I would definitely do it... he was a journalist before he was an activist, writing highly regarded pieces on the FBI and the USSR.

The article I posted describes a public hearing where Lindzen and the usual group of 'skeptics' testified on behalf of an oil company. This is simply a fact... it was a public event.

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Last May, Minnesota held hearings in St. Paul to determine the environmental cost of coal burning by state power plants. Three of the skeptics—Lindzen, Michaels, and Balling—were hired as expert witnesses to testify on behalf of Western Fuels Association, a $400 million consortium of coal suppliers and coal-fired utilities. [#1]
So he publicly testified on behalf of coal companies and still can be trusted, but copywriters making a mistake on a journalist's book jacket means the journalist can't be trusted.

Lindzen has been in the pocket of big oil for decades. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that he has been paid to say things (I wouldn't rule it out, though), but I would definitely suggest that he is receiving attention/publicity that he otherwise wouldn't have (being so widely discredited and all). Regardless, he is not a reliable resource.

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Old 11-07-2014, 10:27 AM
 
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Most of the liberals and greens who opine on this this issue constantly are nothing more than armchair "scientists" who think that an internet connection and access to Google makes them informed and critical thinkers on the subject when all they are really doing is cherry picking what they were pre-disposed to believe in anyway.
This coming from the guy who doesn't even know what the theory of AGW is, but dedicates hours and hours to condemning those who do.

Now you can post another paid-for opinion piece in Forbes to prove me wrong.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 10:29 AM
 
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This coming from the guy who doesn't even know what the theory of AGW is, but dedicates hours and hours to condemning those who do.
AGW is the theory that man is causing the earth to heat up.

Bad theory.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 11:04 AM
 
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AGW is the theory that man is causing the earth to heat up.

Bad theory.
Your opinion aside, at least you get it.

voiceofreazon thinks that it must also include a doomsday prophecy about the end of the human race.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 11:16 AM
 
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This coming from the guy who doesn't even know what the theory of AGW is, but dedicates hours and hours to condemning those who do.

Now you can post another paid-for opinion piece in Forbes to prove me wrong.
I know exactly what the theory of AGW is you dolt, I was pointing out that without the alarmism aspect it would have never become a political topic and none of us would be here discussing it.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 11:17 AM
 
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Your opinion aside, at least you get it.

voiceofreazon thinks that it must also include a doomsday prophecy about the end of the human race.
You really should change your name to "Strawman City"
 
Old 11-07-2014, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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There's no doubt the majority of the American public doesn't care about climate change. Doesn't make them right, though. The only referendum on climate change I care about is among scientists, and climate change wins out big time among scientists.
Did you ever consider scientists as a special interest group seeing as how big bucks are attached to their research? Do you get any research money from the government for a study to disprove climate change?
 
Old 11-07-2014, 11:23 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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What tax cuts for the rich. Elucidate your drivel.
Trickle down/Supply side economics, or the tax cut type Reagan started.
Remember Reagan's Deficits and debt growth?

You told me to "Elucidate your drivel", maybe you should learn what a deficit is.


Remember when GW Bush turned Clinton's balanced budget into deficits and huge debt growth (with supply side cuts.)
http://www.skymachines.com/US-Nation...ental-Term.htm

The middle class got 9% of Bush's tax cuts.
And the richest 20% of Americans got 70% of the Bush tax cuts.
Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis

^^^^ That's supply side tax cuts, or tax cuts for the rich. And those tax cuts are responsible for 50% of our deficits and national debt growth.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PYVKD31RPF...5-05bud-f1.jpg


Remember going to vote for this?
Romney's Economic Plan Includes $6.6 Trillion Tax Cut For The Rich And Corporations | ThinkProgress

Republicans practice supply side economics, thats all they do. Thank God Obama is there to veto the republicans when they bring out a multi-trillion dollar tax cut for the rich.
Rand Paul's fix for Detroit: lower taxes for the rich, more pollution & lower wages for the poor
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