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Old 11-09-2014, 11:54 PM
 
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Obamacare (ACA) isn't insurance.

USPS does a good job. I ship products every week using it. Best rates available.

Interesting question:

How much value does USPS add to the economy? My shipping volume would be crippled if USPS were not a shipping option. (Without USPS shipping rates, costs would be much higher and sales volume would be much lower.)
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Old 11-09-2014, 11:57 PM
 
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Interesting question:

How much value does USPS add to the economy? My shipping volume would be crippled if USPS were not a shipping option. (Without USPS shipping rates, costs would be much higher and sales volume would be much lower.)
And the USPS is in the Constitution.
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Old 11-09-2014, 11:59 PM
 
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Interesting question:

How much value does USPS add to the economy? My shipping volume would be crippled if USPS were not a shipping option. (Without USPS shipping rates, costs would be much higher and sales volume would be much lower.)
True, but I also wonder how I can order something from China, and have the total of the product, and shipping, be cheaper than just shipping alone here in the states.

For example, I just ordered 2 dozen items from China, it cost me about $3, but had I ordered that item from the USA, I would have paid 3x that because shipping alone would have been $6..
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Old 11-09-2014, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Nope.. we borrow against the net growth in value and borrowed money isnt taxable..
You do realize that you do derive an income but simply aren't paying taxes on it don't you?

My wife and I have a business that does quite well, However, over the past 9 years the income and value of it has fluctuated. This year we have done well. Last year was so so. The two years before that were good. But self-employment isn't a sure thing as you seem to imply.

We do have other income and so a lean year doesn't affect us.

I will tell you though you are missing the boat on Medicare (and I assume social security). They are two of the best things going in this country for retirees.

The fact that you have no skin in this ... ummm, game (so to speak), in short the economic life (lack of paying federal taxes, health insurance, even perhaps the city/town/state taxes where you live) the others of us face ... really means any argument or discussion that you might make is essentially worthless.

Truly you are the leech aren't you, expecting the rest of us to pay your share?

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Old 11-10-2014, 12:08 AM
 
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That would be incorrect.. Thanks for playing.

I wouldnt be backing 2 court cases going to the Supreme Court if that was true..

By 'backing' do you mean that you are one of the parties to the lawsuits i.e. one of the original plaintiffs? Or are you 'backing' the case by filing an amicus brief?

(As a case advances through the courts, the plaintiffs and defendants may change roles depending on who won the latest decision.)
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Old 11-11-2014, 03:20 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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So how much money do you think the human body is worth? In raw materials, not much. But what about parsing the organs? I suppose you could make some good money on the open market, maybe sell a kidney on eBay?

Driving is optional. Car insurance is optional. But if you become ill, you're done. It's not like you have a spare body unless The Island is real.
Actually a large percentage of health care services are optional, i.e. a matter of personal choice. If you don't smoke, don't drink, don't use drugs, watch your diet, and engage in regular exercise, your odds of becoming ill are tremendously reduced.

According to the CDC, 75% of health care costs stem from 'chronic disease' most of which is due to behavior. In other words, it is optional.
CDC - Chronic Disease - Home Page

As a conservative, I actually don't have a problem with being taxed to pay for that 25% that is due to sheer bad luck. But I have a problem if I'm taxed to pay for the guy who suffers emphysema after a lifetime of smoking, knee surgery after a lifetime of obesity, or heart disease after a lifetime of being a couch potato.
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Old 11-11-2014, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Interesting question:

How much value does USPS add to the economy? My shipping volume would be crippled if USPS were not a shipping option. (Without USPS shipping rates, costs would be much higher and sales volume would be much lower.)
USPS sends me piles of junk mail every week. None of it is read, and all goes into a recycling bin, which of course my tax dollars go to pay the city of Bellevue to pick up, haul away, and process every week.

I asked my postman about it, and he explained to me that "people pay us" to deliver the junk mail. What a valuable addition to the economy!
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Old 11-11-2014, 06:37 AM
 
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You do realize that you do derive an income but simply aren't paying taxes on it don't you?

My wife and I have a business that does quite well, However, over the past 9 years the income and value of it has fluctuated. This year we have done well. Last year was so so. The two years before that were good. But self-employment isn't a sure thing as you seem to imply.

We do have other income and so a lean year doesn't affect us.

I will tell you though you are missing the boat on Medicare (and I assume social security). They are two of the best things going in this country for retirees.

The fact that you have no skin in this ... ummm, game (so to speak), in short the economic life (lack of paying federal taxes, health insurance, even perhaps the city/town/state taxes where you live) the others of us face ... really means any argument or discussion that you might make is essentially worthless.

Truly you are the leech aren't you, expecting the rest of us to pay your share?
With that income I derive a debt which offsets one another.

the taxes become liable when I sell off the assets unless I roll them over into a 1031 tax exchange which I often do..
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Old 11-11-2014, 06:38 AM
 
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By 'backing' do you mean that you are one of the parties to the lawsuits i.e. one of the original plaintiffs? Or are you 'backing' the case by filing an amicus brief?

(As a case advances through the courts, the plaintiffs and defendants may change roles depending on who won the latest decision.)
I was a plantiff in the last supreme court case and one which should go forward in the future. Not the current one being discussed here.
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Old 11-11-2014, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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USPS sends me piles of junk mail every week. None of it is read, and all goes into a recycling bin, which of course my tax dollars go to pay the city of Bellevue to pick up, haul away, and process every week.

I asked my postman about it, and he explained to me that "people pay us" to deliver the junk mail. What a valuable addition to the economy!

I read once that "porn" was the reason why most internet access is so cheap. The rates they pay subsidizes it for the rest of us.
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