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Old 11-09-2014, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Eastern Colorado
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The race card in this case is a fact, not made up. It is a matter of percentage, not "if". What percentage will just say, things are bad because a black man could never do a good job in the most powerful position in the US. That is the only question here, what percentage.

Oh another recession coming? Really? And what stupid news source is that coming from? What fear group on the media circuit is spewing that? Lets face it, the media is only for entertainment purposes, not to be taken seriously. It is there for advertising dollars and agendas.

Times are great. Sorry things are working out for you, but if you think these times are bad, you aren't prepared for normal fluctuations.
Are you trying to dig yourself in deeper? It is not hard to look up the falling median household income, and there are plenty of news sources reporting that the US is heading toward potential trouble.

Here are some links for you, I would agree that the federal reserve, CBS news, New York Times, the Huffingting post, American progress.org and Trump all have their issues but I am guessing I do not like them for different reasons than you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/up...abt=0002&abg=0
https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...omic-recovery/
Is Housing Holding Back the Recovery? | This is Ashok.
Donald Trump Tells Americans to Prepare for "Financial Ruins"
U.S. Heading For Financial Trouble? - CBS News
The Federal Reserve Is Telling Us The Economy Is Pitiful
The not so rosy, real truth about US economy in 2014 | Fox News
American economy is still in trouble
Student debt may hurt housing recovery by hampering first-time buyers - The Washington Post
Shrinking economy trouble for Democrats - Ben White - POLITICO.com
Is the US in real trouble? We're about to find out.
Did the U.S. Economy Just Turn Negative? - Businessweek
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...79189006,d.aWw

Keep playing the race card, as it is obvious you do not have a clue what you are even talking about, but you seem to feel the need to argue.
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Old 11-09-2014, 10:55 AM
 
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It's not fudged numbers and the credit goes rightfully to the Obama Administration, the administration put the stress test to the banks, and continued the Fed's programed of lowered Interest Rates for Banking System, which has kept banks lending, while also fueling the drive up of stocks, which many companies use to borrow against.
Yes, we need more regulations of % borrowing based on stock ticker price, but that has not happen yet.

The lack of focus on pushing nothing but a terror agenda, has allow the system to spend time on economic concerns here in America.
Again, attribute that to the Obama Administration.
the jobs may not be the highest paying jobs, but it has moved many from the Unemployment lines and it has diminished some from the line of public assistance. That does not mean that there are still not a vast number who need and utilize these benefits.

More young people are choosing to enroll in vocational and technical programs. Pressure is being put on companies if they think or plan to move offshore, the tax concession and other things they once relied on have had some of those channels shut down.
The automotive Industry has regained some footing which also improve the stability of the supply chain.

If people did not get caught up in Republican wranglings of trying to get party popularity, they'd be able to see the things which have been done.
Many of these same republican came through the back door with hand held out for stimulus money, after first publicly attacking it.
The medical industry and insurance companies are making more money than ever with the ACA provisions, standards and mandates. They are hiring more people as their profits are up, which has improved the care across the board at many Hospitals and Medical Facilities.

but you won't hear this in the News, because Republicans won't talk about it, and Democrats are not Grandstanding and Bragging about it because Democrats know there is more work to be done to make it better.

We had the massive employment in the Gas fields, the Oil fields and all the industry connected to it, all because of provisions upheld by this Administration, put into effect by this administration and supported within this administration.
We have challenged China on the Trade Agreement along with other countries who have had to step up in buying our exports.

The down slide of home building is now on a rise again, so construction projects are up.

Again, whenever these things show positive, Republican Systems begins advertising about something negative to take focus away from our positive growths during this Administration.
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Old 11-09-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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Are you trying to dig yourself in deeper? It is not hard to look up the falling median household income, and there are plenty of news sources reporting that the US is heading toward potential trouble.

Here are some links for you, I would agree that the federal reserve, CBS news, New York Times, the Huffingting post, American progress.org and Trump all have their issues but I am guessing I do not like them for different reasons than you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/up...abt=0002&abg=0
https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...omic-recovery/
Is Housing Holding Back the Recovery? | This is Ashok.
Donald Trump Tells Americans to Prepare for "Financial Ruins"
U.S. Heading For Financial Trouble? - CBS News
The Federal Reserve Is Telling Us The Economy Is Pitiful
The not so rosy, real truth about US economy in 2014 | Fox News
American economy is still in trouble
Student debt may hurt housing recovery by hampering first-time buyers - The Washington Post
Shrinking economy trouble for Democrats - Ben White - POLITICO.com
Is the US in real trouble? We're about to find out.
Did the U.S. Economy Just Turn Negative? - Businessweek
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...79189006,d.aWw

Keep playing the race card, as it is obvious you do not have a clue what you are even talking about, but you seem to feel the need to argue.
All of the ingredients for the economic collapse were already coming together before Obama became president.
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Old 11-09-2014, 11:08 AM
 
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Considering that almost half the population is receiving some form of government assistance, those numbers don't help me sleep any better at night. I feel like the government is "gaslighting" the American public. "Look at how great everything is! The Dow is up! Unemployment is low! The economy is booming!" but yet.....half the population is receiving some form of government assistance. Doesn't look so sunny if you look around.
Depending on how you are focused as you look around. If you look in a resentful narrow tunnel vision you will only be anguished, but if you can grasp the spectrum of the big picture you might think differently. (who knows??? depending on the type business, whomever you work for may be kept afloat by a government contract)

There are many ways to help an economy, and that includes the fact that public assistance funding goes directly into the hands of private business. It supports a lot of professionals, semi professionals, commercial and manufacturing. It helps money recycle within and through our system. There is not a business which provides a service to help the public in the assistance area, who is not out seeking a government contract.

Go ask all the people who made the Milk and Cheese and other stuff the government gave out as public assistance if they have a problem with public assistance, they will probably tell one to buzz off!!, because these businesses made 100's of million of dollars selling this stuff to the government to provide as provisions, and those business also employed Americans to make this stuff.

Public Assistance, Investment and Funding>has always been the case in American, except at times it went through the hands of Industry, as grants, loans, contracts and tax concessions and tax exemptions. Which that still happens as well, but that is better managed today than it was before and the performance standards have been increased.

People whine about regulations, Generally the only groups that does so, are those run by Baby Boomers, who refuse to respect that environmental concerns are at a high level of concern, globally as well as domestically. They'd rather sell and close a business, rather than change. It's that same backward thinking mentality of Baby Boomers who want to recreate yesterday talking about how they "USE TO" operate without the controls (its about equal to people who still want to use DDT as a pesticide, when it well known to be a cancer causing agent) , Whereas the new generations comes in, with an open understand of environmental standards, they set up shop, buy the new technology that meets the standards and proceed to go on and have successful business, often time, eventually buying out the old die hard baby boomers who refuse to change, and then they come in and modernize his business and then it goes on to prosper, (only because they got the old stuck in yesterday die hard boomer out of the way).

It's almost like the Die Hard Baby Boomer who'd opt for Old Drum Style Brakes to be put on a Modern Day High Performance Car, when the world knows Disc Brakes is more efficient and less prone to failure under pressure. he Die Hard Baby Boomers only justification is because that's what he grew up with knowing 30-40+ years ago.

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Old 11-09-2014, 11:22 AM
 
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Probably all fudged numbers and lies. I bet the majority of these jobs are nothing but crappy paying anyways. Wages aren't increasing, everything else is. Lousy paying jobs shouldn't count to make an argument for "Improved economy" garbage
This. In my field, $50,000 was a typical starting salary right out of college. 8 years later, low 40s is the norm, if you are lucky enough to get a real job. Factor in inflation over those 8 years and the difference is even greater. I also don't remember the perma-temp thing when I graduated. Everyone got normal, full time jobs.
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Old 11-09-2014, 11:23 AM
 
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The race card in this case is a fact, not made up. It is a matter of percentage, not "if". What percentage will just say, things are bad because a black man could never do a good job in the most powerful position in the US. That is the only question here, what percentage.

Oh another recession coming? Really? And what stupid news source is that coming from? What fear group on the media circuit is spewing that? Lets face it, the media is only for entertainment purposes, not to be taken seriously. It is there for advertising dollars and agendas.

Times are great. Sorry things are working out for you, but if you think these times are bad, you aren't prepared for normal fluctuations.
I don't particularily care for the term "race card". I see it as a means to diminish the fact something racial is acknowledged.
but the manner of your comment, is understandable in what you aim to depict of racism.

Crazy, this system would not let me give a thumbs up, this is the third time today it tells me to spread it around, when I've not focused on any particular name to give an approval of the comment.

so here's the

Remember During World War II, they said black men could not fly an airplane and they had their so called scholars printing all sorts of Jim Crow support literature trying to defame the black man in every category imaginable.
But it is well documented how the "Tuskegee Airmen" turned the tides in saving American Bombers, during a time when white escorts had been loosing many bombers, the Tuskegee Airmen, became the requested group to provide escort cover. Yet, only a short time before there were efforts trying to proclaim them inferior. They become on of the most decorated groups of pilots during the war efforts.

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Albert Einstein called Racism a Disease of the White People.
Einstein gave a lecture on physics but also bluntly addressed the racial animus that held the country in its grip, reportedly calling racism, “a disease of white people” and saying he “did not intend to be quiet” about his opposition to segregation and racist public policy.
according to a 2006 book titled Einstein on Race and Racism by Fred Jerome and Roger Taylor, the scientist was also as passionate about combating racism and segregation as he was about combating war. This facet of Einstein’s life was virtually ignored by the media.

Einstein believed that whoever tries to think things through honestly will soon recognize how unworthy and even fatal is the traditional bias against Negroes. What, however, can the man of good will do to combat this deeply rooted prejudice? He must have the courage to set an example by word and deed, and must watch lest his children become influenced by this racial bias.

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Old 11-09-2014, 11:27 AM
 
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Lol at giving the president any credit or blame for the state of the economy.
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Old 11-09-2014, 11:42 AM
 
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Are you serious? Have you seen how the wealth gap has exploded since Obama took office? Or how about how many small businesses are being crushed with new regulations and fear of what is coming next?



AS for the op, yes the unemployment rate is down, but that is not telling you much anymore. Every since the hyped unemployment rate stopped counting those who were underemployed or had given up on looking for work the number really means nothing. The U6 unemployment is the true unemployment rate, and it is still higher than it was in Sept of 2008.
Baby Boomers who want to recreate yesterday talking about how they "USE TO" operate without the controls
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People whine about regulations, Generally the only groups that does so, are those run by Baby Boomers, who refuse to respect that environmental concerns are at a high level of concern, globally as well as domestically. They'd rather sell and close a business, rather than change. It's that same backward thinking mentality of Baby Boomers who want to recreate yesterday talking about how they "USE TO" operate without the controls (its about equal to people who still want to use DDT as a pesticide, when it well known to be a cancer causing agent) , Whereas the new generations comes in, with an open understand of environmental standards, they set up shop, buy the new technology that meets the standards and proceed to go on and have successful business, often time, eventually buying out the old die hard baby boomers who refuse to change, and then they come in and modernize his business and then it goes on to prosper, (only because they got the old stuck in yesterday die hard boomer out of the way).

It's almost like the Die Hard Baby Boomer who'd opt for Old Drum Style Brakes to be put on a Modern Day High Performance Car, when the world knows Disc Brakes is more efficient and less prone to failure under pressure. The Die Hard Baby Boomers only justification is because that's what he grew up with knowing 30-40+ years ago.
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Old 11-09-2014, 11:46 AM
 
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Lol at giving the president any credit or blame for the state of the economy.
Your failure to respect hims does not change the things he gets credited for Positive, nor for the things he gets dinged for.

All it does is show your bias.
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Old 11-09-2014, 12:13 PM
 
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The race card really? The race card is one of the reasons that Obama and his supporters are being taken more and more as a joke, you cannot even have an honest discussion as they start throwing race out there as the reason for anybody having a problem with him.

Here are a couple of facts for you.

The recovery from the recession is one of the longest recoveries in United States history, while a few people are doing better then ever it is a fact that the economy is still just as bad as it was 6 years ago, think about that for a minute. 6 years later and we are really just starting to climb out of the mess.

The median household income has dropped over the years, including 6% just last year, meaning that some may be doing better but more than half of all the households did worse in 2013 than they did in 2012.

There are strong indications that there may be another rescission coming, with the slow down in home purchases and ability for people to buy a home, many experts are worried that it will cause another downturn.

Additional rules and regulations passed or put in place by departments like the EPA have cost jobs over the last 6 years, considering Obama oversees those departments, it is only fair that he gets the credit and the blame. Is it not?

Now given those facts I can see why you would rather discuss race, but the fact is the average American is not have great times.
Very good, truthful post. Ive worked in the fossil fuel energy sector my entire life & he (Obama) & his barbaric EPA regulations have really put a hurting on the industry. 10s, maybe even hundreds of thousands of people lost DAMN good paying jobs in the coal, oil, power plants, railroad etc. industries. Although, now that the GOP stands to come back into power, thatll surely change. Thank goodness.
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