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Old 11-21-2014, 10:37 AM
 
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I agree 200% with what you are saying. Just one thing, you don't have to be a citizen to own a business, you need a green card, and you get one by opening up a business. There is nothing wrong with that. But a breath of fresh air that a conservative finally gets it. Hispanophobia rules so much of the immigrant debate that more emphasis is placed on flogging the foreigners than the business owners that hire them while giving the American that hired them a slap on the wrist.
You never manage to say a thing without massive lies in it, do you?
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Old 11-21-2014, 10:44 AM
 
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No one has attempted to enforce the most important part of the illegal alien laws on the books.

Employer sanctions.

Seizure of all business and personal assets, of the owners and CEO's employing the tourists, would send a shockwave.
What business owner would risk everything? Name one!

No tax dollars spent deporting anyone. The Massive self deportation would take care of it all on it's own.
No splitting up families and getting tossed across the border, with just the shirt on your back.


Those that think WE THE PEOPLE are bluffing and do risk it, would be providing revenue to the PEOPLE, for being traitors to the health of this nation.


On a side note. If you are not an American Citizen, you cannot own and run a business on US soil( a way around employer sanctions)


Without employer sanctions that have teeth, WE THE PEOPLE are just feeding the beast.
Bwahahaha! The "job creators" are the most sacred of sacred cows. Never happen.

You'd at best catch some small fry, because those actually benefiting from illegal labor can afford to have very, very good lawyers drafting contracts that passes that hot potato to someone else. "What, our janitor service used illegal workers to make their bid 50% lower?? We're shocked - shocked, we tell you! But that's not our fault, surely."
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Old 11-21-2014, 10:58 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Bwahahaha! The "job creators" are the most sacred of sacred cows. Never happen.

You'd at best catch some small fry, because those actually benefiting from illegal labor can afford to have very, very good lawyers drafting contracts that passes that hot potato to someone else. "What, our janitor service used illegal workers to make their bid 50% lower?? We're shocked - shocked, we tell you! But that's not our fault, surely."

You never hear a politician yelling it, or they would not be the money maker for the party or re-election.
The people with change in their pockets, do not pay for a politicians campaign.

That is why it will never happen.
It has to come from someone there to represent what their people tell them, not what the corporations that paid to get them into office, tell them.
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:10 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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California's 1971 Employer Sanctions Law


In the wake of Governor Wilson's admission that an illegal alien
worked in his household in the late 1970s, a review of Wilson's role
in California's first employer sanctions law reveals that Wilson did
not vote on the measure, which was approved 55-8 in the California
Assembly. The United Farm Workers was a major supporter of
California's attempt to penalize employers who hired illegal aliens,
and Republicans who argued that it would unduly burden growers were
its primary opponents.
Governor Ronald Reagan signed the Arnett bill into law on November
8, 1971, but farmers won an injunction to stop its implementation on
March 3, 1972. The chief sponsors of the Arnett bill, California
Rural Legal Assistance, sought enforcement of California's employer
sanctions law on behalf of two Santa Maria farm workers, Miguel and
Leonor De Canas, who claimed to have been adversely affected when
farm labor contractors Anthony Bica and Juan Silva employed illegal
immigrants.
In 1976, the U.S. Supreme Court in De Canas vs. Bica upheld the
constitutionality of California's employer sanctions law.

Rural Migration News | Migration Dialogue
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:11 AM
 
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A slap on the wrist.

Seize ALL ASSETS. Business and personal.
Send a message, not pay to play.
I am NEVER ok with the government seizing assets.

There has to be a trial and guilty verdict before a RED CENT is taken, period.
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:12 AM
 
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This is exactly what I have been saying all along. Go after the root of the problem - those who create the opportunity in the first place.

too simple, I guess.

It is not up to US, the consumer to check the cook line in any given restaurant to ensure there aren't illegals there. That's the job of those cheap skates who hired them.
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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No one has attempted to enforce the most important part of the illegal alien laws on the books.

Employer sanctions.

Seizure of all business and personal assets, of the owners and CEO's employing the tourists, would send a shockwave.
What business owner would risk everything? Name one!

No tax dollars spent deporting anyone. The Massive self deportation would take care of it all on it's own.
No splitting up families and getting tossed across the border, with just the shirt on your back.


Those that think WE THE PEOPLE are bluffing and do risk it, would be providing revenue to the PEOPLE, for being traitors to the health of this nation.


On a side note. If you are not an American Citizen, you cannot own and run a business on US soil( a way around employer sanctions)


Without employer sanctions that have teeth, WE THE PEOPLE are just feeding the beast.
Agree 100%.
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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You never hear a politician yelling it, or they would not be the money maker for the party or re-election.
The people with change in their pockets, do not pay for a politicians campaign.

That is why it will never happen.
It has to come from someone there to represent what their people tell them, not what the corporations that paid to get them into office, tell them.
Good point. In all the political ads I heard this year exploiting the illegal issue, I don't think I heard a single one advocating getting tough on employers. It's always "fix the border", never "stop the demand".
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:23 AM
 
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Also need to go after landlords who rent a single family home to 20 people.
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:34 AM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Businesses have enough rules, regs, paperwork, expenses, responsibilities all related to serving the state master and not the customer.
Count me out of this nonsense.
The guv can start by ending freebie programs, like health care and education to non-citzens. The ones that here working are not the problem.

P.s. All my employees are citizens.
Perhaps if you took some of that energy railing against the government and applied it to businesses (presumably some are competitors hurting YOUR bottom line) who can't seem to be able to operate within a fairly simple part of the law, something you've been able to achieve, there might not be the need for additional mindless regulations. The issue becomes something of a self-correcting loop if employers just stay clean.

By the way, I'm happy all your employees are citizens. Are you asking for a cookie by doing the right thing?

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