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I think it's a gamble for anyone looking to court the effect of the "Latino" constituency on future elections. For now the short term gains are in Democrats' favor.
But let's be frank here: Many of these people - especially the illegals - are super poor, not educated and often very religious. If people were honest and had experience in these communities, they would see that many, many Latinos hold really "traditionally conservative" viewpoints and prejudice against other minorities, against gays, women's issues... If they had lighter skin, they'd be considered rednecks and ridiculed for being poor and ignorant and backwoods. Their status as minorities protects them from such indignity due to the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.
Anecdote: My step-grandmother was Colombian, and very religiously Catholic. Though she agreed with Democrats on most issues, she voted Republican every time on a single issue - abortion. This was before the gay rights movement gained steam. I don't speak to her anymore but I can guarantee you based on comments I remember when I was younger, that issue was a no-go for her as well. She stopped watching Rosie O'Donnell for Petessake when she came out.
Latinos are diverse people. Once you get past the shared language thing, you'll note just as many differences as between the various nations and people in Europe and Asia.
Ive repeatedly stated that two groups of people will be hurt the most by this:
1) Blacks
As republicans say "the nigg--s are too lazy to pick our produce, so the illegal South Americans have to do it." Republican logic says blacks don't want to do the jobs illegals do, and republican logic says blacks won't be hurt by it.
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2) Naturalized and native born Hispanics. People from Puerto Rico and descendents of the Spanish settlers of Texas will face backlash the same as the Salvadoran or the Mexican who crossed the border last night.
Those people are full blooded Americans, and they work hard to send their children to college. The illegal workers do things like pick produce, clean hotels, wash dishes in restaurants, and do yard work for republicans. Naturalized and native born Hispanics work higher paying jobs.
Ive repeatedly stated that two groups of people will be hurt the most by this:
1) Blacks
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2) Naturalized and native born Hispanics. People from Puerto Rico and descendents of the Spanish settlers of Texas will face backlash the same as the Salvadoran or the Mexican who crossed the border last night.
Both tend to vote Democratic in large numbers. Will they learn their lesson now? Ive never understood how a Tejano, a Californo, or a Puerto Rican could shill for foreigners like these Dominicans or Guatemalans.
And republicans constantly try to get blacks and Hispanics to vote republican, for what??
When republicans give the rich tax cuts it decreases government revenues, and that money goes to our national debt. Plus the rich use that money to build US factories in Asia. Black people are not stupid enough to vote republican (and lets hope South Americans don't get stupid enough to vote republican.)
As republicans say "the nigg--s are too lazy to pick our produce, so the illegal South Americans have to do it." Republican logic says blacks don't want to do the jobs illegals do, and republican logic says blacks won't be hurt by it.
Those people are full blooded Americans, and they work hard to send their children to college. The illegal workers do things like pick produce, clean hotels, wash dishes in restaurants, and do yard work for republicans. Naturalized and native born Hispanics work higher paying jobs.
What a crock! It isn't only Republicans that hire illegal aliens. There are many Democrat business owners and citizens who are Democrats that hire them also. Nancy Pelosi (a Democrat) and here vineyards come to mind just for one example.
But conservatives have known for years that illegals pick our produce, were conservatives complaining 10 years ago about illegals harvesting their lettuce, tomatoes, and cabbage? NO. Conservatives can use illegal immigrants in their unregulated capitalism, but liberals can't allow the conservatives illegal workers to become semi-citizens.
And if republicans truly cared about illegal immigration GW Bush would have done something about it (but he did not.)
This illegal immigrant issue is just like Obamacare, the corporate controlled republican party is using immigration to get their supporters mad at democrats, and the CEO's who control Fox/Rush have created a illegal immigrant army.
But republicans have always been OK with illegals picking their produce, republicans just don't want their produce pickers to have rights.
Where do you get the idea that conservatives haven't been complaining about illegal immigration for years now? As for picking crops, there are unlimited H-2A visas for legal, foreign workers. Only 3% of illegal aliens are picking crops and the rest are doing jobs that Americans have always done for a fair wage.
No one is saying that several administration of both parties haven't enforced our immigration laws and secure our border as they should have but it is Obama that bypassed congress twice now in granting a stay of deportation to millions with work permits. No other president whether they be Republican or Democrat has ever done that.
The Democrats are just as corporate controlled as the GOP is. You're not dealing in reality if you're in denial over that. Knock off the produce picking argument and re-read my first paragraph. It isn't just a one party guilt thing anyway.
Seems to me that everyone's having emotional knee-jerk reactions when in reality this executive order changes nothing.
1) Anyone who has been here for 5 years or more and is otherwise obeying the law has a very small chance of getting discovered. We're talking about people who have already figured out how to do what they need to do without getting on authorities' radar screen.
2) If the INS only has the resources to deport 400k illegals per year of course they'll continue to focus on the low-hanging fruit. Criminals who get busted and new arrivals at the border.
3) What illegal is going to come out of the shadows knowing that in 3 years or less, everything could be different?
So what did the EO accomplish? Really it's a calculated ploy to make the Dems look friendly to the Hispanic community (even though Obama has deported more illegals than any prior administration), and it riles up the GOP base. But it does nothing to change the facts on the ground.
Everyone's complaining about Democrats, and how "Blacks and Hispanics shouldn't vote Democrat". However, no one has said a thing about what the GOP could do. No one has said "the GOP can do this, or that for you".
Everyone's complaining about Democrats, and how "Blacks and Hispanics shouldn't vote Democrat". However, no one has said a thing about what the GOP could do. No one has said "the GOP can do this, or that for you".
Since when is either party supposed to "do something for you"?
Seems to me that everyone's having emotional knee-jerk reactions when in reality this executive order changes nothing.
1) Anyone who has been here for 5 years or more and is otherwise obeying the law has a very small chance of getting discovered. We're talking about people who have already figured out how to do what they need to do without getting on authorities' radar screen.
2) If the INS only has the resources to deport 400k illegals per year of course they'll continue to focus on the low-hanging fruit. Criminals who get busted and new arrivals at the border.
3) What illegal is going to come out of the shadows knowing that in 3 years or less, everything could be different?
So what did the EO accomplish? Really it's a calculated ploy to make the Dems look friendly to the Hispanic community (even though Obama has deported more illegals than any prior administration), and it riles up the GOP base. But it does nothing to change the facts on the ground.
Wrong on your claim that Obama has deported more illegals than any other administration. He counted those turned around at the border as deportations. Add to that, that he has given a stay of deportation twice now to millions of illegal aliens so his immigration enforcement is dismal. Now those are the facts.
Where do you get the idea that conservatives haven't been complaining about illegal immigration for years now? As for picking crops, there are unlimited H-2A visas for legal, foreign workers. Only 3% of illegal aliens are picking crops and the rest are doing jobs that Americans have always done for a fair wage.
No one is saying that several administration of both parties haven't enforced our immigration laws and secure our border as they should have but it is Obama that bypassed congress twice now in granting a stay of deportation to millions with work permits. No other president whether they be Republican or Democrat has ever done that.
The Democrats are just as corporate controlled as the GOP is. You're not dealing in reality if you're in denial over that. Knock off the produce picking argument and re-read my first paragraph. It isn't just a one party guilt thing anyway.
I would just add that GW Bush did try like heck to push amnesty through. That was a big project of his. It was only the people shutting down the switchboard that stopped him. He was thoroughly pro-illegal. Unlike Obama, though, he didn't issue an EO.
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