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Old 12-10-2014, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The abstract from the study:


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Abstract





The solar impact on the Earth's climate change is a long topic with intense
debates. Based on the reconstructed data of solar sunspot number (SSN), the
local temperature in Vostok (T), and the atmospheric CO2 concentration
data of Dome Concordia, we investigate the periodicities of solar activity, the
atmospheric CO2 and local temperature in the inland Antarctica as well as their
correlations during the past 11,000 years before AD 1895. We find that the
variations of SSN and T have some common periodicities, such as the 208
year (yr), 521 yr, and ~1000 yr cycles. The correlations between SSN and
T are strong for some intermittent periodicities. However, the wavelet
analysis demonstrates that the relative phase relations between them usually do
not hold stable except for the millennium-cycle component. The millennial
variation of SSN leads that of T by 30–40 years, and the anti-phase
relation between them keeps stable nearly over the whole 11,000 years of the
past. As a contrast, the correlations between CO2 and T are neither
strong nor stable.
These results indicate that solar activity might have
potential influences on the long-term change of Vostok's local climate during
the past 11,000 years before modern industry.


Of course alarmists will deny any science that interferes with their goal of shipping more jobs to the developing world and increasing the costs of energy to American households.
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Old 12-10-2014, 12:12 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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A question for conservatives.

The Earth and the moon are both located approximately the same distance away from the sun. The average temperature on Earth is about 61 degrees F. But the temperature on the Moon varies from -387 degrees F. at night, to 253 F. during the day.

If the sun controls the Earths temperature, why does the Earth and moon have such different temperatures?

What is the Temperature on Earth?
What is the temperature on the Moon? | Cool Cosmos
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Old 12-10-2014, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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New paper finds strong evidence the Sun has controlled climate over the past 11,000 years, not CO2 | Principia Scientific Intl

As rational people have been saying for some time, climate change is dictated by changes in the sun and not in CO2.

Holy crap! Now Al Gore will have nothing to do!
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Old 12-10-2014, 12:18 PM
 
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I read the article. At the bottom it links to a right-wing denialist site call "hockeyshtick". This is not science. There's no science here.

I'm sure that if the denialists ever post something of actual scientific merit, it will show up in the scientific publications. This is why they never, ever post anything from scientific publications; their claims have no scientific merit.

Better luck next time, denialists.

Nice try. but the article actually links to the Journal. Here is the link to the abstract from the journal.


Correlation between solar activity and the local temperature of Antarctica during the past 11,000 years



Peer reviewed paper in a reputable scientific journal. not a blog by bloggers attaked by someone who will also provide links to blogs from "approved bloggers"

LOL.
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Old 12-10-2014, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Nice try. but the article actually links to the Journal. Here is the link to the abstract from the journal.


Correlation between solar activity and the local temperature of Antarctica during the past 11,000 years



Peer reviewed paper in a reputable scientific journal. not a blog by bloggers attaked by someone who will also provide links to blogs from "approved bloggers"

LOL.
We have to ask "Who is the one in denial?"
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Old 12-10-2014, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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A question for conservatives.

The Earth and the moon are both located approximately the same distance away from the sun. The average temperature on Earth is about 61 degrees F. But the temperature on the Moon varies from -387 degrees F. at night, to 253 F. during the day.

If the sun controls the Earths temperature, why does the Earth and moon have such different temperatures?

What is the Temperature on Earth?
What is the temperature on the Moon? | Cool Cosmos

Oh I dont know. How about one has an atmosphere and the other one doesnt, and the one with the atmosphere has water as 75% of its surface area while the other doesnt. That's the basic science of it. And yes the science of it is settled, so I dont need peer reviewed papers to quote.
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Old 12-10-2014, 12:52 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Oh I dont know. How about one has an atmosphere and the other one doesnt, and the one with the atmosphere has water as 75% of its surface area while the other doesnt. That's the basic science of it. And yes the science of it is settled, so I dont need peer reviewed papers to quote.
The point of my post was that our atmosphere controls our planets temperature. And the "Greenhouse Effect" controls warmth on our planet with gases like CO2. The average American releases 17 tons of carbon each year. And putting so much CO2 in our atmosphere is nothing to play with.
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Old 12-10-2014, 01:04 PM
 
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Peer reviewed? LOL.

Hundreds of open access journals accept fake science paper | Higher Education Network | The Guardian

the Elsevier company mentioned in the article is the owner of sciencedirect.

Actually to be fair, its hard to find anything published anymore that can be relied upon to be actually peer reviewed. Its a sad state of affairs.
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Old 12-10-2014, 01:08 PM
 
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And the "Greenhouse Effect" controls warmth on our planet with gases like CO2.
It's one link in a very long chain of things that effect climate. CO2 is actually an insulator and reflects more heat away from the earth, of course that doesn't mitigate the greenhouse effect. Let's suppose for a second the sun has absolute supremacy in controlling climate. In that scenario it could drive temperatures down. Wouldn't that be a stunner.
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Old 12-10-2014, 01:13 PM
 
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Wierd how the study with data available all the way up to this year, decided to CUT OFF the study at 1895.

Cherry picking data prior to the spike in CO2 in the atmosphere and then saying that CO2 doesn't impact things much (during the studied period) is pretty hillarious.
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