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Old 01-07-2015, 04:55 PM
 
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Ah Mircea....While I disagree with you solution and your rudeness to others, I'm very impressed with the rest of your informational post. Thats the kind of post that I love seeing from you.
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Old 01-07-2015, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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If somebody worked all their life and paid into Social Security and then something happens where they are medically disabled, it would be outrageous to deny them their benefits.

If you've got frauds, then root them out and drop kick them through the goalposts of life.

But to deny legitimate benefits to people who've earned them and need them?

The problem is that Congress relaxed the laws for what qualifies and created an environment welcoming of fraud.


The applicant's subjective claim holds more weight then medical doctor examination results.
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Old 01-07-2015, 05:07 PM
 
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The problem is that Congress relaxed the laws for what qualifies and created an environment welcoming of fraud.


The applicant's subjective claim holds more weight then medical doctor examination results.
You mean like when they relaxed it for people with ALS, fast tracking their acceptance? You know...people who are dying within 5 years?
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Old 01-07-2015, 05:12 PM
 
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The problem is that Congress relaxed the laws for what qualifies and created an environment welcoming of fraud.


The applicant's subjective claim holds more weight then medical doctor examination results.
....and now that the fraud is rampant, for some inscrutable reason a lot of people (not everyone, thankfully, but not just a few either) on the left seem to want to protect the ability for people to successfully file fraudulent disability claims. Even as a libertarian type I support disability for the truly disabled, but the proportion of people with mental illnesses and back pain didn't grow hugely more than everything else because Americans started getting those illnesses so much more relative to other ailments than they used to: the proportion in those categories exploded because they are far and away the easiest to fake.

I don't want the Republicans to use this to blindly cut benefits across the board because people with real disabilities need the support, but if it takes an engineered crisis to force Democrats to come to the table on fighting fraudulent claims and that's what they are doing then this is great news.

edit: also haha, wow is that article title intentionally misleading.
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Old 01-07-2015, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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YOU ASKED FOR IT - YOU GOT IT !
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If you embrace the notion that it is a "good thing" for government to take from one to give to another (compulsory charity of socialism), you just consented to a "police state."
How else will government enforce legalized theft and part time slavery?
Shall the enforcers wheedle : "Pretty please?"
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Old 01-07-2015, 05:20 PM
 
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I wonder if there is any discretion/ wiggle room to achieve a 20% cost reduction beyond cutting all benefits by 20%.

It's my understanding that the majority disability is back injury/ pain.
As of 2011 it was the biggest but not the majority at 33.8% of cases

Back in 1961 it was 8.3% of cases.

Gee I wonder why it blew up like that compared to everything else .

Anyway, data from the big NPR piece on the topic: http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

edit: Literally there is enough fraud in the system that you could hit a 20% reduction without taking a penny from per person benefits and without finishing booting the fakers.
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Old 01-07-2015, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You mean like when they relaxed it for people with ALS, fast tracking their acceptance? You know...people who are dying within 5 years?

Congress didn't just relax it for that group.
Got read up on this and educate yourself.
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Old 01-07-2015, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Republicans have been trying to bring down Social Security for decades.

Big business hates Social Security. The elderly aren't cheap labor and take up tax money. Big business wants the elderly to hurry up and die.
Well, SSDI will run out of money in two years. So which party is going to do anything about it? Maybe this act by Boehner will force the Congress to deal with issues like Social Security

Social Security disability trust fund projected to run out of cash by 2016 - The Washington Post
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Old 01-07-2015, 05:58 PM
 
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Oh no. They didn't kick the can down the road to 2033? The nerve of those republiKlans!
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Old 01-07-2015, 06:04 PM
 
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The whole problem would be moot if congress would pay back the trillions they have borrowed from SS. By law, they are obligated to pay it back, but don't.
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