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Old 01-18-2015, 12:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Orlandochuck1 View Post
You don't think these businesses that were not investigated for anything illegal feel infringed? You think they are just paranoid?
No. I think you're paranoid.

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Every small business owner should be concerned that our gov can put you out of business with no investigation, no due process simply because they want to.
Says you. I know a few business owners. They're concerned with daily operations, not your paranoid delusions.
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Old 01-18-2015, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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For as long as we have had basements. Skepticism and conspiracy theories are two different things that shouldn't be treated as the same. This thread falls under conspiracy theory.
Do you think this was all made up by the OP? Nah.... this has been going on for awhile now and has recieved some mainstream attention, OP didn't just make it up out of paranoia.

Holder has been a longtime proponent of not only controlling guns, but doing away with them and "changing how society thinks about guns the same way as was done with cigarettes" Want proof? There's a video of him saying it. I believe it's already been posted to this thread. Do you really believe he wouldn't conspicuously work the levers within his power to try and "choke off" not only the gun industry, but other industries he and his cronies finds "legal but unfavorable"....???

LOL, it's attitudes like yours that enable him to do so.

"the greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist"
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Old 01-18-2015, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Do you think this was all made up by the OP? Nah.... this has been going on for awhile now and has recieved some mainstream attention, OP didn't just make it up out of paranoia.

Holder has been a longtime proponent of not only controlling guns, but doing away with them and "changing how society thinks about guns the same way as was done with cigarettes" Want proof? There's a video of him saying it. I believe it's already been posted to this thread. Do you really believe he wouldn't conspicuously work the levers within his power to try and "choke off" not only the gun industry, but other industries he and his cronies finds "legal but unfavorable"....???

LOL, it's attitudes like yours that enable him to do so.

"the greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist"
Of course not, I think the OP is a product of that paranoia that pops up when gun sales are down. Gotta buy more guns before the government takes them away! Says the gun salesman.

So no, this program isn't something that is designed to go after gun dealers. Is it government over reach? Heck yeah, and it sounds like a pretty bad idea in general, but hardly something worthy of a gun conspiracy theory.
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Old 01-18-2015, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Of course not, I think the OP is a product of that paranoia that pops up when gun sales are down. Gotta buy more guns before the government takes them away! Says the gun salesman.

So no, this program isn't something that is designed to go after gun dealers. Is it government over reach? Heck yeah, and it sounds like a pretty bad idea in general, but hardly something worthy of a gun conspiracy theory.
Ah.... well there ya go.

No one said this was just about guns. This administration has a lot of businesses it doesn't like in it's crosshairs ( pardon the pun ) and the gun industry is just one. Whenever a government agency makes it difficult for a legal business to succeed with special burdens, it's government over-reach.
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Old 01-18-2015, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Ah.... well there ya go.

No one said this was just about guns. This administration has a lot of businesses it doesn't like in it's crosshairs ( pardon the pun ) and the gun industry is just one. Whenever a government agency makes it difficult for a legal business to succeed with special burdens, it's government over-reach.
Except for the title of this thread and the OP, of course.
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Old 01-18-2015, 06:59 PM
 
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Ah.... well there ya go.

No one said this was just about guns. This administration has a lot of businesses it doesn't like in it's crosshairs ( pardon the pun ) and the gun industry is just one. Whenever a government agency makes it difficult for a legal business to succeed with special burdens, it's government over-reach.
Yep, running a business without laundering money is an incredible burden. What on earth are you talking about? That there may have been collateral damage does not support your assertions.
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Old 01-19-2015, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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The reason for the focus on guns by the usual suspects is the fact that there is a cadre of posters on the P&OC Forum whose mission is to keep the gun rights debate front and center, on page one, near the top, at all times. So they constantly search for seemingly disconnected pieces of information that will show that there is this constant threat and unending paranoia that someone, somewhere, for some reason or for none at all, are coming to take their guns.
So let me get this straight. It's perfectly cool for all the anti-gun people to post a new thread every time some random idiot does something idiotic that involves a firearm, and it's perfectly cool for them to rail against guns and those that own them, and call regular, responsible gun owners criminals, fetishists, etc., but a gun owner isn't allowed to start an opposing thread without being called "paranoid"?

WTF are you smoking?
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Old 01-19-2015, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Actually federal gun laws were loosened back in 2008, they now allow loaded guns in National Parks and I never saw one thank you Obama thread.
That was attached to the credit reform bill - it's the only reason it was signed into law. If you think that Obama would have signed that as a stand-alone bill, you're more delusional than even most Obama supporters.
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Old 01-19-2015, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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You realize how ridiculous this is? Further infringing on his expansion of gun rights? LMAO.
You seem confused about something.

Putting something back to the way it was is called "restoring" it.

Making something bigger than it was is called "expanding" it.

The law you keep crowing about that was attached to the credit reform act was anything BUT an "expansion" of gun rights. It was RESTORING the rights that had previously been taken away.

Clear?
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Old 01-19-2015, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Guys, the IRS fraudulently harassed non-profits and ADMITTED that they were in the wrong, and these folks still parrot the president's "fake scandal" crap. Do you really think that they're going to understand and admit what's going on here? Just look at the other poster in the thread hailing from Nevada. The excuses are getting just plain stupid now. "Nah nah nah I can't hear you nah nah nah" is basically what I'm getting. It's obvious and stupid.
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