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Old 01-17-2015, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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There are multiple businesses that have been shut down, not just gun shops as was indicated by the list, what's with the focus on guns.
You noticed that too. Gun shops were only a very small segment of the targeted businesses and the targeting is not as Orwellian as those addressing it would have you believe. It's more of a matter of placing these types of businesses under increased scrutiny rather than an all out assault on gun stores.

The reason for the focus on guns by the usual suspects is the fact that there is a cadre of posters on the P&OC Forum whose mission is to keep the gun rights debate front and center, on page one, near the top, at all times. So they constantly search for seemingly disconnected pieces of information that will show that there is this constant threat and unending paranoia that someone, somewhere, for some reason or for none at all, are coming to take their guns.

Needless to say that the fact that there has not been one federal law passed or signed by Obama that has placed any restriction or made one firearm illegal to own since he has been in office is completely lost on them. They ignore this basic truth and continue with their paranoid delusions.
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Old 01-17-2015, 10:16 AM
 
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Operation Choke Point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some seem to be legitimate. Guns, ammo, fireworks, tobacco, travel, coins. The program is looking for fraud and money-laundering. My browser didn't like the link, and wiki doesn't explain much. What kind of pressure is Holder applying? Obviously, gun sales go on, so how has this affected law-abiding merchants?
Ok, so here's the deal. The agency arbitrarily assigns "risk" ratings to various things - obviously, there are partisan politics in play - and tells the bank that too much of this puts them in higher risk categories and if they go far above, they then lose the ability to actually be a bank.

For them to keep gun stores, they have to forgo doing business with other non-politically-correct enterprises. And, it has to be a small portion of their merchant base.

This is what happens when you let partisans regulate things.

It will always be corrupt and an exercise in abusive power.
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Old 01-17-2015, 11:52 AM
 
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Check this video out from eric holder from in the 90s, let me know what keyword you hear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsP5N9Ya6zo
Sure. First I have a Tarot reading.
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Old 01-17-2015, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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You noticed that too. Gun shops were only a very small segment of the targeted businesses and the targeting is not as Orwellian as those addressing it would have you believe. It's more of a matter of placing these types of businesses under increased scrutiny rather than an all out assault on gun stores.

The reason for the focus on guns by the usual suspects is the fact that there is a cadre of posters on the P&OC Forum whose mission is to keep the gun rights debate front and center, on page one, near the top, at all times. So they constantly search for seemingly disconnected pieces of information that will show that there is this constant threat and unending paranoia that someone, somewhere, for some reason or for none at all, are coming to take their guns.

Needless to say that the fact that there has not been one federal law passed or signed by Obama that has placed any restriction or made one firearm illegal to own since he has been in office is completely lost on them. They ignore this basic truth and continue with their paranoid delusions.
Actually federal gun laws were loosened back in 2008, they now allow loaded guns in National Parks and I never saw one thank you Obama thread.

There have been record gun sales the last 6 years with the paranoia created by the NRA and the gun crowd, some people on here were even burying them in their back yard. The coming riots, social unrest and the federal agents were going to come get them never quite came to pass. Threads like this are the best they can do.
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Old 01-17-2015, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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If they were simply fraudulent, then why wouldn't they be investigated, shut down, and prosecuted? Why use the FDIC to underhandedly choke off their banking relationships?
If it is about fraud, why is there a list of certain types of businesses, why are they not simply chasing fraud in all businesses? Fraud is fraud, is it not?
I don't know, though it seems more of an issue for pawn shops than it does gun dealers like your OP suggests.
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Old 01-17-2015, 05:04 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Actually federal gun laws were loosened back in 2008, they now allow loaded guns in National Parks and I never saw one thank you Obama thread.

There have been record gun sales the last 6 years with the paranoia created by the NRA and the gun crowd, some people on here were even burying them in their back yard. The coming riots, social unrest and the federal agents were going to come get them never quite came to pass. Threads like this are the best they can do.
That is because it was included in a different bill that obama wanted.

The only thing keeping obama from further infringing on the 2nd amendment was a pro gun congress.
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Old 01-17-2015, 05:06 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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You noticed that too. Gun shops were only a very small segment of the targeted businesses and the targeting is not as Orwellian as those addressing it would have you believe. It's more of a matter of placing these types of businesses under increased scrutiny rather than an all out assault on gun stores.

The reason for the focus on guns by the usual suspects is the fact that there is a cadre of posters on the P&OC Forum whose mission is to keep the gun rights debate front and center, on page one, near the top, at all times. So they constantly search for seemingly disconnected pieces of information that will show that there is this constant threat and unending paranoia that someone, somewhere, for some reason or for none at all, are coming to take their guns.

Needless to say that the fact that there has not been one federal law passed or signed by Obama that has placed any restriction or made one firearm illegal to own since he has been in office is completely lost on them. They ignore this basic truth and continue with their paranoid delusions.
I am just as upset at the attack on other lawful business as I am the attack on gun stores.

The governemnt shouldn't be in the business of legislating morality.
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Old 01-17-2015, 05:09 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Here's a list of merchant categories:

Ammunition Sales
Cable Box De-scramblers
Coin Dealers
Credit Card Schemes
Credit Repair Services
Dating Services
Debt Consolidation Scams
Drug Paraphernalia
Escort Services
Firearms Sales
Fireworks Sales
Get Rich Products
Government Grants
Home-Based Charities
Life-Time Guarantees
Life-Time Memberships
Lottery Sales
Mailing Lists/Personal Info
Money Transfer Networks
On-line Gambling
Payday Loans
Pharmaceutical Sales
Ponzi Schemes
Pornography
Pyramid-Type Sales
Racist Materials
Surveillance Equipment
Telemarketing
Tobacco Sales
Travel Clubs

Operation Choke Point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some seem to be legitimate. Guns, ammo, fireworks, tobacco, travel, coins. The program is looking for fraud and money-laundering. My browser didn't like the link, and wiki doesn't explain much. What kind of pressure is Holder applying? Obviously, gun sales go on, so how has this affected law-abiding merchants?
They would do better getting all the money legislators and IRS employees owed the government in back taxes and interest. Maybe send them a collection of Tom Coburn's books on waste as a place to start.
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Old 01-17-2015, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I am just as upset at the attack on other lawful business as I am the attack on gun stores.

The governemnt shouldn't be in the business of legislating morality.
Well sir, that's a very valid, balanced response.
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Old 01-17-2015, 06:02 PM
 
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I don't know, though it seems more of an issue for pawn shops than it does gun dealers like your OP suggests.
My concern is that this is just the beginning. Knowing how anti gun this administration is, it wouldn't surprise me, given that gun control bills failed in congress.
I resent that guns that are protected by our constitution, are lumped together with many illicit businesses.
And I agree that we should not be targeting any of these businesses. They don't need a target list to go after fraud. And they sure shouldn't be using banks.
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