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If I understand the controversy, it goes something like this:
Doofus European Jews, funded by widespread drives, buy some crappy land sold by crafty Locals. City boys and girls, with hard work and scientific methods, turn around and transform that crappy land into some of the most productive farmland in the Middle East. Sellers are embarrassed / remorseful.
Along comes the golden opportunity. The British are about to leave and transfer administration to the two power blocs - Jews and Muslims. The Jews promise peace and justice, etc. While all the Islamic neighbors plan to exterminate the Jews. The neighboring countries give a "friendly" warning to fellow Muslims to "get out of the way," and not to defend their lands against fellow Muslim invaders / liberators. Everyone assumes that Israel will fall, and so the Palestinian Muslims abandon their properties ahead of the fireworks.
But Israel prevails. D'oh. Plan backfires.
You are wrong. A bunch of rebels who were 52% of this small territory said 'we are now a jewish homeland' even though 48% did not want that ever. but that's not the point:
Why does any of this have to do with illegal settlements in 2015?
You are wrong. A bunch of rebels who were 52% of this small territory said 'we are now a jewish homeland' even though 48% did not want that ever. but that's not the point:
Why does any of this have to do with illegal settlements in 2015?
I don't get it, if Israeli wants peace, as they claim, why do they continue to build settlements which the international community (except the USA government under occupation of AIPAC) condemn? It doesn't make sense, if a people want peace why do they continue to take land from those they occupy?
Why don't you explain how building apartments is an obstacle to peace with the arab muslims, who won't tolerate the sovereignty of any other group in the mideast?
Why don't you look at how the arab muslims are getting along with the coptics, maronites, chaldeans, yazidis, azeris, bahai, kurds, orthodox christians, alawites or any of the other minority groups in the mideast, who amazingly, are not "building apartments."
Wow, that's deep thinking you're offering us, thanks so much...
Would any of that occur if they were not under Israeli occupation?
If you had an ounce of history or facts at your disposal, you'd know the answer was "YES", as the arab muslim attacks occurred for decades BEFORE israel even existed.
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Would any of that occur if they were not fighting back against Israeli's bombing small children and hospitals and schools and every part of Palestinian life?
You have to understand what it is that they want peace for. The Biblical boundaries of Israel are spelled out in the Bible. And that certainly includes all of Jerusalem, no ifs, ands or buts about it.
The Israelis are taking the long view towards peace. The territory they want peace for is not fully secured just yet. The settlements are part of their strategy to remedy that.
You are wrong. A bunch of rebels who were 52% of this small territory said 'we are now a jewish homeland' even though 48% did not want that ever. but that's not the point:
Why does any of this have to do with illegal settlements in 2015?
Facts dispute your opinion - which is a POINT.
Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Balfour Declaration (dated 2 November 1917) was a letter from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland.
His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
The text of the letter was published in the press one week later, on 9 November 1917. The "Balfour Declaration" was later incorporated into the Sèvres peace treaty with the Ottoman Empire and the Mandate for Palestine. The original document is kept at the British Library.
The British were formally awarded the mandate to govern the region in 1922. The non-Jewish Palestinians revolted in 1920, 1929, and 1936. In 1947, following World War II and The Holocaust, the British Government announced its desire to terminate the Mandate, and the United Nations General Assembly adopted a resolution recommending partition into an Arab state, a Jewish state and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem. The Jewish leadership accepted the proposal, but the Arab Higher Committee rejected it; a civil war [ahem, invasion by the ARAB LEAGUE] began immediately, and the establishment of the State of Israel was declared in 1948.
Following what is known as the 1948 Palestinian exodus, the 700,000 Palestinians who fled or were driven from their homes were unable to return following the Lausanne Conference of 1949.
In the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, Israel captured and incorporated a further 26% of the Mandate territory, Jordan captured the region today known as the West Bank and the Gaza Strip was captured by Egypt.
In the course of the Six-Day War in June 1967, Israel captured the rest of Mandate Palestine from Jordan and Egypt, and began a policy of Israeli settlements. From 1987 to 1993, the First Palestinian Intifada against Israel took place, which included the Declaration of the State of Palestine in 1988 and ended with the 1993 Oslo Peace Accords. In 2000, the Second or Al-Aqsa Intifada began, and Israel built a security barrier. Following Israel's unilateral disengagement plan of 2004, it withdrew all settlers and most of the military presence from the Gaza strip, but maintained control of the air space and coast.
The Arabs wanted to negotiate on the basis of UN resolutions 194 and 181. They wanted Israel to accept first the "right to return". Israel rejected the principle of "repatriation of the refugees and payment of due compensation for their lost or damaged property, as well as for the property of those who do not wish to return" as formulated in Resolution 194, and asked large amounts of land in exchange for return of a limited number of refugees. The Arabs wanted recognition of the areas allotted to them by the Partition Plan and immediate return of the refugees coming from the areas that were conquered by Israel.
The causes are also a subject of fundamental disagreement between Arabs and Israelis. Factors involved in the exodus include Jewish military advances, attacks against Arab villages and fears of another massacre by Zionist militias after Deir Yassin, which caused many to leave out of panic; Arab evacuation orders; expulsion orders by Israeli authorities; the voluntary self-removal of the wealthier classes, the collapse in Palestinian leadership, and an unwillingness to live under Jewish control.
In 1948, Israel is attacked by the Arab League, a combined invasion by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq. The ARAB LEAGUE entered Palestine. They were invaders, not defenders of Palestine from "Jewish invaders." It is a fact that the "Liberation Army" Muslims warned the Palestinian Muslims to not help defend their homeland. They also ordered evacuations. So it was not all the fault of Zionists / Jews / Israelis.
And then the LOSERS want Israel to indemnify THEM for losses and damages caused by their Muslim brethren who failed in their "civil" war of aggression on Israel. These losers are unwilling to acquiesce to Israeli control, let alone acknowledge Israel's right to exist, is it not wise to keep them OUT?
Methinks it's not the fault of Israel to not entertain such lopsided terms nor embrace the viper that seeks to kill them all.
It doesn't help things, that Islam demands the destruction of Jews.
FROM THE SAYINGS OF MUHAMMAD:
-- Muhammad said to the Jews: "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land.“
-- Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
-- Mohammed said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and whoever says, " None has the right to be worshipped but Allah , his life and property will be saved by me." (otherwise it will not).
There were bloody anti-Arab and anti-Jewish riots in Jerusalem in 1921 and in Hebron in 1929. In the late 1930s, Arab-Jewish violence became virtually constant, a period known as the Great Uprising in Palestinian historiography.
Kibbutzim began to assume a more prominent military role. Rifles were purchased or manufactured and kibbutz members drilled and practiced shooting. Yigal Allon, an Israeli soldier and statesman, explained the role of kibbutzim in the military activities of the Yishuv:
The planning and development of pioneering Zionists were from the start at least partly determined by politico-strategic needs. The choice of the location of the settlements, for instance, was influenced not only by considerations of economic viability but also and even chiefly by the needs of local defense, overall settlement strategy, and by the role such blocks of settlements might play in some future, perhaps decisive all-out struggle. Accordingly, land was purchased, or more often reclaimed, in remote parts of the country.
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Ironically, many of the Kibbutz were left wing communists, which compelled the Soviet Union and its satellites to vote in favor of accepting the State of Israel.
America was compelled to support the capitalist elements, to counterbalance influence.
The Muslims were ticked off by both sides.
Last edited by jetgraphics; 01-25-2015 at 05:54 PM..
Kind of hard to have peace when you have a bunch of super religious zealots ignoring their own government, such as many of the hasidic jews who even when they have their settlements ripped down continue to rebuild. If both sides want peace NO ONE should have that property period.
This situation has gone on long before the settlements and would not stop if those were stopped.
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