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Old 02-04-2015, 03:26 PM
 
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That is not true, but I'll bet they feel a lot of pain passing through the birth canal. What should we do about that?
Do you have a link about that???? The baby should not feel any pain being born unless the doctor needs to use forceps at the end to get the head out.
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Old 02-04-2015, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Yea, no bias there................

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Selected content reprinted with permission from John C. Willke M.D., Barbara H.
Willke R.N., John Jefferson Davis Ph.D., David C. Reardon Ph.D., Abort73.com,
Eternal Perspective Ministries, Abolish Human Abortion, Life Issues Institute,
BlackGenocide.org, Heritage House '76, Inc. & The Center for Bio-Ethical
Reform.
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Old 02-04-2015, 03:30 PM
 
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babies do not survive late term abortions. they are aborted.
Plenty of babies have survived the procedure that was used in an attempt to abort them.

The Abortion Survivors Network - Home
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Old 02-04-2015, 03:30 PM
 
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RRRIIIIGGGHHHHTTTTTT. Money is spongeable, we all know that. Who knows what they spend tax money on, you give it and they can do what they want with it.
Prove that they are using govt funds for abortions.

Go on, I'll wait.
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Old 02-04-2015, 03:34 PM
 
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https://winteryknight.wordpress.com/...renthood-make/


It’s Planned Parenthood. The abortion giant took home $85 million in “excess of revenue over expenses” (a nifty way of saying profits) and had an operating budget of over $1 billion for the 2007-2008 fiscal year, according to its latest annual report. Included in that budget was $350 million in “government grants and contracts” (an equally nifty way of saying your tax dollars). An increase in the number of abortions performed helped fuel the profits.
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Old 02-04-2015, 03:35 PM
 
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Saying FACT before something does not make it a fact. And considering that the nervous system is not fully formed at week 8 there is not way for a pain receptor to connect with the pain center in the brain.

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But Dr. Rosen, a professor emeritus of anesthesiology, obstetrics and gynecology at the University of California, San Francisco, said pain involves “complex feedback loops between different structures,” so pain receptors must extend through the spinal cord and thalamus into the cortex. “You can make a telephone call, but not till wires that connect our phones exist,” he said. “You can say the wire now exists, but nobody’s turned the service on.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/17/he...anted=all&_r=0
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Old 02-04-2015, 03:37 PM
 
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Do you have a link about that???? The baby should not feel any pain being born unless the doctor needs to use forceps at the end to get the head out.
I said......I'll bet. Proof? What about that primal scream they let out right after birth? Sounds like a scream of distress to me.

Don't tell me.....you probably think they are screaming for joy.

Why wouldn't the birthing process cause pain? Do you think being squeezed that hard, being violently ripped from the comfort of the womb, feels good? Sounds like a very fearful, painful event to me.

At that stage of development, they most definitely feel pain.
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Old 02-04-2015, 03:40 PM
 
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So what? The adoption industry is a huge money maker too, so is the baby birthing industry. People make a lot of money birthin them babies.......does that make it bad?
I have no problem giving money to those who bring life into the world, not to those to take life out.
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Old 02-04-2015, 03:40 PM
 
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You really need to get educated about the developing baby in utero. Their brains are functioning just fine and they can feel pain at 12 weeks.
YOU need to get educated about the "developing baby in utero":
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“We know a lot about embryology [in the field]. The way that a fetus grows and develops hasn’t changed and never will,” Dr. Anne Davis, a second-trimester abortion provider, associate professor of clinical obstetrics and gynecology at Columbia University Medical Center, and consulting medical director at Physicians for Reproductive Health, told Salon. “And what we know in terms of the brain and the nervous system in a fetus is that the part of the brain that perceives pain is not connected to the part of the body that receives pain signals until about 26 weeks from the last menstrual period, which is about 24 weeks from conception.”
Fetal pain is a lie: How phony science took over the abortion debate - Salon.com

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Fetuses cannot feel pain until at least the 28th week of gestation because they haven't formed the necessary nerve pathways, says Mark Rosen, an obstetrical anesthesiologist at the University of California at San Francisco. He and his colleagues determined that until the third trimester, "the wiring at the point where you feel pain, such as the skin, doesn't reach the emotional part where you feel pain, in the brain." Although fetuses start forming pain receptors eight weeks into development, the thalamus, the part of the brain that routes information to other areas, doesn't form for 20 more weeks. Without the thalamus, Rosen says, no information can reach the cortex for processing.
When Does a Fetus Feel Pain? | DiscoverMagazine.com

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The report on pain perception says: "It was apparent that connections from the periphery to the cortex are not intact before 24 weeks of gestation and, as most neuroscientists believe that the cortex is necessary for pain perception, it can be concluded that the foetus cannot experience pain in any sense prior to this gestation."
Human foetus feels no pain before 24 weeks, study says | Life and style | The Guardian

There are many more sources that I could quote, but you get the idea....
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Old 02-04-2015, 03:42 PM
 
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what a mixed bag of people in your link. a heart doctor who rallies for personhood of a fetus is surly biased. ronald reagan he had no medical training. when you can come up with a doctor that supports the idea of fetal pain at 8 weeks that can be googled for credibility without being tied to rabid pro life information would be great. as it is now most doctors would disagree with your statement.
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