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Old 01-31-2015, 03:54 PM
 
Location: North America
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Old 01-31-2015, 04:23 PM
 
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DC has the highest murder rate in the country yet the lowest gun ownership.

WV has one of the highest gun ownership rates and one of the lowest murder rates.
Wyoming and Montana also have one of the lowest murder rates.

The anti-gun nutjobs have no stats to back anything up at all. You can't count rape..if the woman had a gun. She might not have been raped.

Here is all the stats from 2013 for your perusal : : http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murd...nd-state#MRord

Nice try Chris..stay warm over there buddy.


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Seems Ironic you picked states not on the top 10

States with Extremely High Populations of Gun Owners(more than 50%)
1. Wyoming - 59.7%
2. Alaska - 57.8%
3. Montana - 57.7%
4. South Dakota - 56.6%
5. West Virginia - 55.4%
6. Mississippi - 55.3%
6. Idaho - 55.3%
6. Arkansas - 55.3%
9. Alabama - 51.7%
10. North Dakota - 50.7%

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which is ironic, because yes there is a lot of blood in those places (Guns: A way of life in Wyoming | WyomingNews.com Wyoming has the largest per capita suicide rate in the nation! guess how!
1) strict gun laws follow shootings, not normally the other way around
2) NJ really? That is your Cherry Pick. Why not Connecticut? Why not, by your math, pick the state with the lowest gun ownership. I'm sure you will find a bastion of defenseless . .with criminals going nuts and killing everyone. No one goes to the state, fear of being killed (and not protecting yourself) is everwhere!
Alaska - is number 6 (Violent crime)
50. Hawaii - 6.7% -36 (violent crime)
data suggests more gun equal more deaths (accidents, death, and homicide). Buying a gun for fun, collection, hunting, etc are good reasons to own a gun.
Buying a gun for protection, is for people bad at math.
OH and New Jersey - number 26 as far as crime. Thanks for playing. You guessed wrong!
https://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank21.html#footnote3

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Old 01-31-2015, 04:53 PM
 
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The NRA is wrong: Owning a gun is far more likely to harm you than protect you.
Good guy with a gun myth: Guns increase the risk of homicide, accidents, suicide.

It seems so obvious: more guns, more bullets flying, more death.
It seems to me the reluctance of some Americans to accept the facts on guns-and-death data is the same kind of intellectual vapor lock that makes them buy lottery tickets.
I declare a holy war started
Here we go again the anti Gun Speak! Most gun owner go to training or have Military back Ground. Most people do not carry every day unless the location and threat level changes. This Ideal of a unarmed America only emboldens Criminals and the Gov. no Longer fears its people. (Thomas Jefferson)

Get a Grip Guns are part of America and I suggest you anti Gun people hide behind your Lattes and your I pods.

Crimes we hear about are Criminals who done care about any Law!
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Old 01-31-2015, 04:56 PM
 
Location: DC
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DC has the highest murder rate in the country yet the lowest gun ownership.
Wow this is the problem with gun owners. They are so ignorant that they haven't a clue. DC isn't even in to top ten cities in murder rate.
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Old 01-31-2015, 04:57 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Of course homes with guns are more likely to have accidental shootings, domestic incidents, homicides, suicides, with guns. Duh!!!! They have GUNS. It's akin to saying people who drive or ride in cars are more likely to be involved in auto accidents, hit and runs and DUIs. REALLY. It's because they drive or ride in cars. The answer is NOT to get rid of the guns/cars. For every accident, homicide, hit and run with a car/gun, there are hundreds of thousands that use them wisely. No this is just about taking firearms out of citizens' hands.
Yes, it is. I am truly amazed, at statement made here, attacking the 2A. And, tossing in the third , just for giggles, as well. Something else, that bears mention, and the hoplos know this, is that the "gun death" state they rest their pathet;ic tirades on, are not just made up of criminal misuse of guns. They lump in legitimte cases of self defense, even including police shootings. Also, criminals killing other criminals is tossed in, for good measure. Drive by, gang on gang, , drug dealers offing each other a d anything else that NO amount of firearms banning would stop. If criminal shooting, of honest citizens were the only numbers that used, they couldn't get the numbers of "firearms related homicides" up where they want to see them.

They would like people to believe that ALL deaths by firearms are regular people flipping out, kids playing with their Mom or Dads gun or some other type of tragic incident, when a huge percentage of these "tragedies" are actually good riddance cases. Vanv bangers killing other gang bangers, cops killing armed criminals, citizens defending themselves against vermin etc. Not "tragedies" at all.

Separate the specific cases into their proper grouping, and the gun death stats don't show the hoplos desired numbers. Can't let the truth get in the way of their disarmament agenda.
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Old 01-31-2015, 05:17 PM
 
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Wow this is the problem with gun owners. They are so ignorant that they haven't a clue. DC isn't even in to top ten cities in murder rate.
These stats are from 2010..DC had the HIGHEST GUN MURDER rate per 100k people. Almost twice the rate of Louisiana!! Time for you to eat your crow..it's dinner time in DC!

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Old 01-31-2015, 05:24 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Wow this is the problem with gun owners. They are so ignorant that they haven't a clue. DC isn't even in to top ten cities in murder rate.
The only problems we firearms owners have, is with the blatant lies, insulting rhetoric, pompous elitism and desire to force us to conform to ideals and principals, not our own, that drives the anti 2A group.
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Old 01-31-2015, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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In the last 30 years there have been 62 mass shootings in this country. None were resolved by an armed civilian shooting a bad guy.
There is no validity to statistics (like "none") when talking about incredibly rare events--events are basically anecdotal. "Mass shootings" number only 62 in our nation of over 300 million people, over 200+ years--and pretty much ALL of them were historically recent, as less and less average citizens routinely carry guns. And if not many of the more recent mass shootings benefitted from armed civilians, that only proves that the liberal media and government have largely removed guns in lawful hands from more congested, urbanized areas.

But even among mass shootings, off the top of my head, I know that Charles Whitman, an army-trained sniper who killed 16 people and injured over 30 others while shooting from the bell tower at the University of Texas at Austin, was pinned down by armed Texas civilians before police arrived, and during the standoff. "Ramiro Martinez, an officer who participated in stopping Whitman's rampage, later stated that the civilian shooters should be credited, as they made it difficult for him to take careful aim." The civilian shooters also kept Whitman confined to more protected parts of the tower, which prevented him from being able to target virtually every area below. In the end, three police officers and a civilian (quickly deputized on-site) entered the level where Whitman was shooting and overwhelmed the shooter by coming at him from 2 directions. Charles Whitman, The Texas Bell Tower Sniper, Kills 14 | World History Project

NOTE: I'd like to point out that today in America, when the police respond to shootings, they simply remain outside the firing zone and wait for the gunmen to kill all their victims--and then hopefully commit suicide themselves, or give up. That is what happened at the Columbine shooting, where police surrounded the school 90 minutes before sounds of shooting stopped, and the police felt it was safe to go in. Ditto the Virginia Tech shootings. And let's not forget the two sick murderers in Cheshire CT, who molested a wife and 2 young daughters before setting them on fire (bound and alive) and fleeing the home--which had been surrounded by police for over an hour (since the badly-beaten husband escaped from the cellar). The 2 young girls burned alive while the police stayed safely outside to watch the fire burn and listen to the screams of the dying girls. At least the cops took the 2 psychos into custody after they crashed the car while attempting escape.
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Old 01-31-2015, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The only problems we firearms owners have.......

...... are rust, and politicians.
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Old 01-31-2015, 06:48 PM
 
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Wow this is the problem with gun owners. They are so ignorant that they haven't a clue. DC isn't even in to top ten cities in murder rate.
Do currently has 3 times the national average murders per capita.
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