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Old 02-04-2015, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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So the main point that Islam is a religion of peace is a farce
Most Muslims are not engaged in terrorism.

Most Muslims don't reside in the Middle East.

Most Muslim majority countries are secular.

Being gay in Turkey, a country with almost a 100% Muslim population, is not a crime. People are free to petition the Turkish government for SSM. Women have equal rights. They can divorce their husbands. They are free to become educated, choose to marry or not, work and travel without male escorts.

The largest concentration of Muslims in Europe live in Russia, not the UK, the Nordic countries, France or Germany.
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:44 AM
 
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Oh, well, that makes a difference, guess those ISIS Islamists are not savages after all.
There's a difference between "ISIS Islamists are savages" (true) and "All of Islam are savages" (False, and stupid, and also highly counter-productive at this point. Banging that drum is carrying ISIS' water, if you'll pardon a mixed metaphor.)

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I'm sure most of the gay men who have been murdered were Muslim too, does that change things at all for you?
I don't see why it should make a difference. I still maintain that "All of Islam are savages" is a BS oversimplification.
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I refer to all of islam as savages. I call them what they are without reservation. Even when islam is trying to be normal they'll still chop off peoples hands, stone them to death and behead them all in the name of sharia law. They are SAVAGES, BLOODY FLIPPIN' SAVAGES!!!!
The family of the murdered Muslim Jordanian pilot, would likely not appreciate your position.

Terrorists are savages. They use religion as a recruiting tool and to rationalize their political agenda.
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:48 AM
 
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That is a great point and part of the reason the US walks the line with our involvement, they do not want to give any perception that this is our war nor do they want to tie this in to the Muslim religion. This truly needs to be their war and the worst thing we could do is send in ground forces bas some have suggested, if recent events didn't motivate them nothing will.
If we forget about US involvement during the war in Iraq, I'd agree 100%. The Muslims in the Mid East need to take on this threat, and stop sitting on the fence hoping other nations will clean up their own backyard for them. The Islamofscist threat is world-wide, and many Muslims are being murdered.

One reason why people from other nations are not getting involved is because they don't want to be viewed as the bad guys, they'd rather the Western nations get saddled with that. However, Obama's lack of a clear policy on this is also causing nations to sit on their hands.

If Obama were to come out with a US policy that says the Mid Eastern nations need to clean up their own messes, and the US will not be bailing them out, then these nations might take the fight to the enemy. Instead they hold back, not really knowing what US policy is, because Obama's words and actions have been erratic.
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Most Muslims are not engaged in terrorism.

Most Muslims don't reside in the Middle East.

Most Muslim majority countries are secular.

Being gay in Turkey, a country with almost a 100% Muslim population, is not a crime. People are free to petition the Turkish government for SSM. Women have equal rights. They can divorce their husbands. They are free to become educated, choose to marry or not, work and travel without male escorts.

The largest concentration of Muslims in Europe live in Russia, not the UK, the Nordic countries, France or Germany.
Those who would call all Islam savages need to get a grip on the facts.

The largest share lives in Indonesia (13%), followed by India (11%), Pakistan (11%), Bangladesh (8%), Nigeria (5%), Egypt (5%), Iran (5%), Turkey (5%), Algeria (2%) and Morocco (2%). Muslims make up a majority of the population in 49 countries.

The top four nations with the largest muslim populations on the planet are all democratic secular nations with little or no terror connections.

How does that square with the "Kill them all" faction?
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Old 02-04-2015, 10:03 AM
 
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Those who would call all Islam savages need to get a grip on the facts.

The largest share lives in Indonesia (13%), followed by India (11%), Pakistan (11%), Bangladesh (8%), Nigeria (5%), Egypt (5%), Iran (5%), Turkey (5%), Algeria (2%) and Morocco (2%). Muslims make up a majority of the population in 49 countries.

The top four nations with the largest muslim populations on the planet are all democratic secular nations with little or no terror connections.

How does that square with the "Kill them all" faction?
Who in this discussion here has posted that they belong to the "'Kill them all' faction?"
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Old 02-04-2015, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Who in this discussion here has posted that they belong to the "'Kill them all' faction?"
Well, stiffnecked for one on this page alone. I'll do some looking and I'll come up with at least 5 different names who want to turn the entire ME into glass or claim that all Islam, including those here in America are a threat to all good American Christian Patriots, everywhere.
I'll even post a link to a few individuals who claim that the people like me who point out the fact that all Muslims are not our enemy, accuse us of supporting terrorism.
Then as an added bonus I'll post some links that claim that Obama is directly supporting terrorism over Christianity and Israel. All because he claims all Islam is not our enemy.
give me time to post the Quotes.
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Old 02-04-2015, 10:19 AM
 
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Since when did Islam become a "religion of Peace"? All this happy talk regarding "moderate muslims", is just whistling past the graveyard. It will the graveyard of western civilization if people and especially the "leader" of the country continue to wallow in this ignorance!
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Old 02-04-2015, 10:19 AM
 
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We should all see this on national news, there are quite a few people in this country who really need to watch this whether they want to or not.

This is the cold hard truth behind what we are facing not just in the Middle East but everywhere on this planet. Don't for one minute believe that there aren't radical islamist here in the US that would do the exact same thing to a captures American pilot or any American for that matter if given the opportunity.
Scared huh?

Whatever.
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Old 02-04-2015, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Back and Beyond
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I just watched the burning alive video... Probably the most f***ed up thing I have ever seen.
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